#132: Passive Aggressive Fika

In which Lauren & Mattias talk about fika eitquette. They review their recent movie day & night films, and discuss various topics such as being allergic to love and competitive coffee.

Content:

• Opening
  • Swedish national anthem
• Besties or partners?
• Weekly check in
  • Brännässlor
• Movie on!
• Movie day:

  • Jönssonligan & den svarta diamanten

  • Jönssonligans största kupp

  • Jönssonligan spelar högt

• Intermission
• Movie night:
  • Beyond the Law
  • Den Bästa Sommaren
• Fika Crash Course!
  • Origin
  • How to fika
  • Extremely inappropriate fika behavior
  • Rules of fika
• Wrap up
  • What's ruining our lives
  • Swedish national anthem (Take two)
  • Live Mad Libs! July 12, 2025 8pm CET/2pm EST on Twitch @roastytoastyghostypodcast

Chapters

• 0:00 Episode Introduction
• 4:41 Weekly Recap and Activities
• 14:39 Swedish Movie Day Marathon
• 28:22 Movie Night: Beyond the Law
• 31:08 Swedish Film: Den Beste Sommaren
• 34:05 Celebrating Sweden with Fika Traditions
• 55:10 Fika Etiquette and Cultural Rules
• 1:03:49 Episode Wrap-Up

Transcript

Episode Introduction

Speaker 1 0:06

In a world where everything is unscripted, this isorika gröna Landet upp Nej, nej, nej, nej, si, si, I can't. Okay, can I start over?

Speaker 2 0:37

Si, si, si, si, senora Si.

Speaker 1 0:40

Du gamla, du fria du fjällhöga nord, du tysta du ärorika, gröna Din sol, din himmel, dina ängder gröna, din sol, din himmel, dina ängder gröna. Du tronar på minnen från formstora dagar. I love you. Cool, yeah, is that it? That was it All right, good.

Speaker 2 1:33

That was like two verses. Okay, all right. The Swedish national anthem yeah, you know more than I do, because I don't really know that song at all okay, I know, like that first line, have you heard it? I don't know if I've even heard it. I've lived here for 10 years. I don't think I've heard the full song no, okay, I you know the first part.

Speaker 1 2:00

I knew it like five minutes ago or Mm-hmm, or maybe not, but before we half an hour ago.

Speaker 2 2:09

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 2:11

I was like, yeah, I didn't know all the words, but now I just lost most of the first part.

Speaker 2 2:19

Okay, that's okay.

Speaker 1 2:20

Yeah, I will do better later.

Speaker 2 2:23

All right, you can practice during the break.

Speaker 1 2:26

Yeah, I will, I later. All right, you can practice during the break. Yeah, I will, I will.

Speaker 2 2:28

Are you going to open this up now?

Speaker 1 2:29

I will open it up. Yes, cool, hello and welcome to Roasty Toasty Ghosty. My name is Matias.

Speaker 2 2:39

And I'm Lauren.

Speaker 1 2:41

And we are going to be your best friends for an hour or so.

Speaker 2 2:46

Yeah, that's true. I noticed I'm interrupting you now.

Speaker 1 2:51

Yeah, because you were totally saying something. I also noticed that.

Speaker 2 2:56

I noticed that I'm interrupting you. No, I noticed that you chose to say best friends instead of besties today, yeah. Which I think is kind of funny, because I told someone that I knew today that you were my bestie and I think somehow he got the idea that you were my partner instead of my friend.

Speaker 1 3:21

Yeah, like life partner.

Speaker 2 3:23

Yeah, like, and I guess he didn't understand the term bestie, even though he's also an american yeah but he's an older american so maybe he didn't get the the term yeah even his son knew what a bestie was yeah, I mean, why would you call your life partner bestie? I don't know.

Speaker 1 3:45

Yeah, I don't know either.

Speaker 2 3:47

I don't know Anyway.

Speaker 1 3:48

Yeah, weird.

Speaker 2 3:51

It was weird.

Speaker 1 3:54

But you know what's not weird?

Speaker 2 3:56

What is not weird?

Speaker 1 3:58

That some people call this is this, that this is no.

Speaker 2 4:03

Try again. Take two.

Speaker 1 4:05

this, that this is no try again. That's not, too that some people say that this is the best podcast in the world world world.

Speaker 2 4:13

I would say that is kind of weird is it weird it might be weird why I don't?

Speaker 1 4:18

you don't like this podcast.

Speaker 2 4:19

No not really, I quit knew it. You can take over. No, I agree, this is the best podcast ever. It's not that weird. I mean, if you listen to it, then you would agree that it is the best podcast ever. Yeah, ever, yep, matias, yeah Hi.

Weekly Recap and Activities

Speaker 1 4:40

Hello, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 4:43

I'm doing good. How are you?

Speaker 1 4:45

Good that you are doing good, so am I.

Speaker 2 4:49

You're also doing good.

Speaker 1 4:50

I'm also doing good.

Speaker 2 4:51

Good, and that is good, it is good, everything is good yeah.

Speaker 1 5:02

Do you feel like we?

Speaker 2 5:03

should talk about our week. I feel like you should tell me what you've been up to this week, starting with last weekend.

Speaker 1 5:08

Yeah, Saturday.

Speaker 2 5:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1 5:11

I have not written a diary this week.

Speaker 2 5:14

No Okay, no sorry.

Speaker 1 5:16

What happened on Saturday?

Speaker 2 5:18

Saturday, I went to the dollar store.

Speaker 1 5:21

Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 5:22

Well, the majority of the the week, I think, I worked on clearing out the raspberry bushes I spent a lot of time this week clearing those bushes out and, um, they have thorns, so I've been getting like scratches all over me from those. And brenneslur, is it E-R or O-R for?

Speaker 1 5:47

the plurals, I would say brenneslur.

Speaker 2 5:49

Okay, because that's what I've been saying, but some people say it like with the E-R.

Speaker 1 5:54

Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 5:55

And so then I get confused. I don't know what the plural is, but it's a plant that burns and it hurts, so I've been getting burns and cuts from those as well.

Speaker 1 6:08

Yeah.

Speaker 2 6:09

All up and down my arms and my shoulders and my legs, and I also got sunburned, which doesn't help either.

Speaker 1 6:18

Yeah, you got burned.

Speaker 2 6:19

I got burned by the plants and by the sun, so my skin is very dry and itchy and I have like burn marks from the plants all down my legs. So I've been itching my legs a lot too yeah they leave like these what like blisters? Blisters yeah yeah, and they're so itchy and now they're bleeding. Yeah because I can't leave them alone.

Speaker 1 6:49

Yeah, my sister, when we were smaller, my sister fell with the bike down in like an, like a sea of those desler yeah, oh my god, that's awful. I could not believe how.

Speaker 2 7:05

That's unthinkable you've never done that I have never fallen into no those no, no, not like that okay I mean, it was just all yeah those and she fell like that's awful right into them.

Speaker 1 7:21

My dad had to get her up, so I guess he was burned too.

Speaker 2 7:26

Yeah.

Speaker 1 7:26

But yeah, she must have, yeah.

Speaker 2 7:29

Now do you know, is it the leaves or the flowers that burn?

Speaker 1 7:34

I think it's the leaves.

Speaker 2 7:36

Okay, Because I was trying to like figure out how to pull them out of the ground without burning myself. Yeah, so, I've been like taking them from underneath and kind of pulling them up and trying not to touch the leaves, but I mean, I didn't succeed every time, no, but yeah, I'm really not.

Speaker 1 7:58

I don't know that much.

Speaker 2 7:59

Okay.

Speaker 1 8:00

About them actually.

Speaker 2 8:01

Okay.

Speaker 1 8:02

I just know that I stay away from them.

Speaker 2 8:04

Yeah, that them actually Okay. I just know that I stay away from them, yeah that's probably best. Also on Saturday, I took a bike ride to the candy store which is like six kilometers away and I got some candy from my oldest because he was going to bike with you, right. He was, but the bike he was going to was not working out of order it was out of order, yeah.

Speaker 2 8:30

So he didn't go with me and I was all like my head was in like biking mode, like I had planned on going for a bike ride. I'm gonna go take, take this bike ride.

Speaker 1 8:43

Yeah.

Speaker 2 8:44

And so I did, and I got him some candy, and I came back, whatever, and everyone was happy. Good, that's what I did on Saturday.

Speaker 1 8:51

Yeah, yeah. Like I said, I think I just had a chill day.

Speaker 2 8:55

And then on Sunday we went for a walk and we had a little fika.

Speaker 1 8:58

Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 9:00

Yeah, that was Uh Monday.

Speaker 1 9:04

Monday I went to work.

Speaker 2 9:06

You did. Um, my life partner had gotten a new grill for the gazebo, so we started grilling on Monday in the gazebo.

Speaker 1 9:19

Yeah.

Speaker 2 9:19

And it was nice, we had halloumi cheese.

Speaker 1 9:22

Okay.

Speaker 2 9:24

Uh, and tomatoes and some basil from my basil plant for lunch on Monday and it was really good while I was working in the bushes, so we spent most of the day outside.

Speaker 1 9:37

That's good, yeah, tuesday.

Speaker 2 9:39

Yeah, tuesday my landlord came by and thanked me for clearing out the raspberry bushes with a box of chocolates, and so I took this box of chocolates and I took a couple, and then I asked my life partner if I was expected to finish them, and I guess he kind of assumed that I was gonna. So I did.

Speaker 1 10:00

Yeah, of course you have to do what I'm told. Yeah, you have to prove that you do what you're expected to do.

Speaker 2 10:11

Yeah, that's what I do. Did you do anything on Tuesday?

Speaker 1 10:16

I think I went to work.

Speaker 2 10:18

Yeah.

Speaker 1 10:21

Yeah, afterwards I just took a nap afterwards.

Speaker 2 10:26

Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 10:27

Because I've been so tired.

Speaker 2 10:29

You have been really tired this week.

Speaker 1 10:31

Yeah, I have.

Speaker 2 10:33

That's that.

Speaker 1 10:34

Yep.

Speaker 2 10:35

On Wednesday.

Speaker 1 10:36

Yes.

Speaker 2 10:37

I went to the gym. I've been going to the gym pretty much every morning now, okay, except for today. I didn't go to the gym today, no pretty much every morning now, okay, except for today. I didn't go to the gym today, no, uh. And then my life partner and I went to the secondhand store and I got some clothes right.

Speaker 1 10:53

Yeah.

Speaker 2 10:53

Yeah, and then we went out for lunch.

Speaker 1 10:55

Okay.

Speaker 2 10:56

Yeah.

Speaker 1 10:57

Yeah, and we went for a walk.

Speaker 2 11:00

We did.

Speaker 1 11:01

After work.

Speaker 2 11:02

Uh yeah.

Speaker 1 11:03

After I went to work.

Speaker 2 11:05

Yeah and we, yeah, we went for a walk in the woods.

Speaker 1 11:10

Yeah, on a trail. And then in the rain.

Speaker 2 11:13

And it started raining.

Speaker 1 11:14

Yeah.

Speaker 2 11:15

Yeah, so we walked back to the car.

Speaker 1 11:18

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 11:19

Yeah, I mean, the rain wasn't really that bad.

Speaker 1 11:22

No, I didn't think so. At least We've been through worse.

Speaker 2 11:25

Yeah, I mean sure it came down kind of hard, but I didn't think it was really that cold.

Speaker 1 11:32

No.

Speaker 2 11:32

It's been kind of a warm-ish.

Speaker 1 11:34

Yeah, when we were in the woods it didn't rain much at all.

Speaker 2 11:39

No.

Speaker 1 11:40

It was when we got out on the way back to the car.

Speaker 2 11:44

Yeah, but I feel like the air's been warm but the rain's been kind of cold.

Speaker 1 11:48

It was thundery too.

Speaker 2 11:49

Oh yeah, it thundered. It was kind of cool.

Speaker 1 11:52

Mm, mm. We didn't get hit, though, by lightning, no Struck.

Speaker 2 11:57

Not this time.

Speaker 1 11:58

No.

Speaker 2 11:58

No, yeah, but yeah, that was that Yesterday was Thursday.

Speaker 1 12:03

Yes, I went to work.

Speaker 2 12:06

You did and I went to the gym.

Speaker 1 12:09

Okay.

Speaker 2 12:11

And then I started. When I came back, I started clearing out my or not clearing out, but cleaning out my office. Here I've been throwing away a lot of really old bills that we've been saving.

Speaker 1 12:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2 12:27

And other documents that I don't really know why I kept them, so I threw them away. I've got a big pile of papers that still need to be shredded and did you get the passports yesterday? I did get passports at some point this week yeah the last of the passports, yeah, so that's been taken care of and we're ready to travel yes we're all ready.

Speaker 1 12:55

We just need to book some flight tickets yeah, oh yeah, were we gonna look into that.

Speaker 2 13:02

We were going to and then we didn't.

Speaker 1 13:05

No, we forgot.

Speaker 2 13:06

Yeah.

Speaker 1 13:06

We had like time to do that too, yeah.

Speaker 2 13:12

But we did not remember anything about that. Yeah, so that was that For the rest of the day. I was kind of lazy. I was supposed to go to spinning but I canceled yesterday.

Speaker 1 13:23

Yeah.

Speaker 2 13:24

So yeah, that's what happened yesterday. What?

Speaker 1 13:27

Was that when we went for another walk?

Speaker 2 13:29

Yesterday.

Speaker 1 13:30

What day was that?

Speaker 2 13:31

Thursday.

Speaker 1 13:32

Was it yesterday.

Speaker 2 13:33

When we went for a walk.

Speaker 1 13:34

Yeah, that was.

Speaker 2 13:35

Wednesday Wednesday we talked about that.

Speaker 1 13:37

Yeah, but we went for a walk at my place.

Speaker 2 13:40

Was that yesterday? No, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 13:42

When was that then?

Speaker 2 13:44

Oh yeah, Tuesday.

Speaker 1 13:45

Tuesday.

Speaker 2 13:46

Tuesday I came over and we went for a walk at your place because I was feeling bad about the chocolate box.

Speaker 1 13:54

Oh yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 13:55

But yeah, that was that.

Speaker 1 13:56

Yeah, today.

Speaker 2 13:57

Today's Friday. Today is Sweden's National Day. Yes, and you had the day off.

Speaker 1 14:06

I did.

Speaker 2 14:09

So I mean Sweden's National Day, june 6th.

Speaker 1 14:12

Yeah, that's, that's today. Yeah, that's a day off. That's the.

Speaker 2 14:17

It's a holiday.

Speaker 1 14:18

Holiday in Sweden.

Speaker 2 14:20

Yeah.

Speaker 1 14:21

And I mean we watched movies.

Speaker 2 14:25

We watched lots of movies, we had a movie day and we had a movie night.

Speaker 1 14:29

Yes.

Speaker 2 14:31

So I guess would you like to movie on.

Speaker 1 14:34

Yeah, we should.

Speaker 2 14:35

All right.

Swedish Movie Day Marathon

Speaker 1 14:36

Should we? Yeah, maybe we should do it now.

Speaker 2 14:39

Okay, we can talk about the movie day and then maybe take a break and then take movie Night.

Speaker 1 14:45

Yeah.

Speaker 2 14:46

Okay, so would you like to movie on?

Speaker 1 14:48

Yeah, let's movie on.

Speaker 2 14:49

Okay, Today for movie Day, we watched three movies.

Speaker 1 14:56

Yeah, Swedish movies.

Speaker 2 14:57

Yes.

Speaker 1 14:58

So it's the three last of the Jönssonligan movies with the original cast. Okay, so the first one we watched was Jönssonligan och den svarta diamanten, the Jönsson gang and the Black Diamond, and then we watched Jönssonligans största kupp, and that's Jönssonligans biggest heist, I guess.

Speaker 2 15:27

Okay.

Speaker 1 15:28

Then Jönssonligans spelar högt. I mean it could mean plays loud, but it could also mean high stakes.

Speaker 2 15:38

Okay.

Speaker 1 15:38

That they. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 15:40

Something like that.

Speaker 1 15:41

Yeah, it's like a pun. It works both ways in the Swedish title. So I don't know. Are we gonna talk about the movies now?

Speaker 2 15:50

Yes.

Speaker 1 15:51

Okay, so the first one was Jönssonligan och den svarta diamanten.

Speaker 2 15:57

Yeah, so this one. They are trying to get a black diamond.

Speaker 1 16:03

Yeah.

Speaker 2 16:04

That's what happens.

Speaker 1 16:05

Yeah, Okay. So one thing we have to talk about is that Charles Ingvar is not in any of these.

Speaker 2 16:17

He's in the psych ward, yeah.

Speaker 1 16:21

Because, yeah, um cause, yeah, uh, I mean and uh. So the first one it's about the, the doctor, or like the, what?

Speaker 2 16:30

what would you call the psych ward doctor?

Speaker 1 16:33

Yeah, it's like uh Charles Ingvar's uh doctor and he he kind of finds Charles Ingvar's uh last like notes.

Speaker 2 16:47

His plans.

Speaker 1 16:48

His plans for his next heist. Or yeah, the Doctor teams up with the rest of the gang.

Speaker 2 16:56

He kind of gets talked into it yeah.

Speaker 1 16:58

That's kind of what the movie is about. What did you think about this one, the one with the Doctor?

Speaker 2 17:04

I mean I think I enjoyed all of them.

Speaker 1 17:07

Yeah.

Speaker 2 17:07

Yeah.

Speaker 1 17:08

Yeah.

Speaker 2 17:09

I thought that they were all pretty fun and creative in their own ways, mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 17:15

Yeah.

Speaker 2 17:16

I'm just trying to remember what the other two were, but I think that first one was the one I liked most out of the three.

Speaker 1 17:27

Yeah, okay, that's the same for me.

Speaker 2 17:29

Wasn't that the 93 one.

Speaker 1 17:32

No, that one was from 92.

Speaker 2 17:34

Oh yeah, the next one from 94, so, okay, okay, we didn't watch a movie from 93 today.

Speaker 1 17:40

Well, the Charlie Sheen movie Okay okay, okay, gotcha. Yeah.

Speaker 2 17:44

We watched a bunch of 90s movies.

Speaker 1 17:46

Yeah.

Speaker 2 17:46

Okay, but yeah, that's what I thought.

Speaker 1 17:51

Yes, I like this one too, and I really like the actor who plays the doctor. Yes, he's funny.

Speaker 2 17:58

He's good.

Speaker 1 17:59

And he's one of those that can pull off both comedic roles and dramatic roles Serious, serious roles.

Speaker 2 18:09

Yeah.

Speaker 1 18:10

So he's a really good actor. I think he has range. Yeah, as you call it as some people call it.

Speaker 2 18:20

Some people might say that I say that yeah.

Speaker 1 18:24

Yeah, so it's a really funny movie. And then we watched Jönssonligans största kupp, their biggest heist.

Speaker 2 18:35

But this one is, oh, this one has Stenon Skarsgård.

Speaker 1 18:40

Yes.

Speaker 2 18:42

Uh yeah, as the doctor's like prison, buddy who they were trying to break out with yeah, and instead Stenland's scourge guard works with Jöns and Nigan Mm-hmm. Of the two guys. Yeah, the two guys yeah.

Speaker 1 18:59

Yeah, I mean it's funny, but it's not on the level as the first one, and I feel like this one is the one least connected to Jönsson, if you think about it. Maybe, Because when you think about the other one, there's no Jönsson, but they have his last plan.

Speaker 2 19:24

Yeah.

Speaker 1 19:25

But this one is not connected in any way to Charles Ingvar.

Speaker 2 19:30

No.

Speaker 1 19:30

Like it's just Vanheden and Dynamitharri and Stellan Skarsgård, skarsgård, skarsgård yes, that guy.

Speaker 2 19:42

Yeah, it was still good. He has long hair.

Speaker 1 19:46

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 19:46

It was still good he has long hair. Yeah, I was trying to, you know, recognize him like the similarities from him then and from Mamma Mia as well.

Speaker 1 19:57

It's difficult. It is, but he also had these fake teeth.

Speaker 2 20:01

Were they fake. They were fake. Okay, because I didn't remember him having weird teeth. No In Mam weird teeth no In Mamma Mia.

Speaker 1 20:09

No.

Speaker 2 20:09

But when he spoke English, that's when I heard it the most.

Speaker 1 20:13

Okay, yeah, yeah. I was like oh yeah, it's that guy, because they went to Poland too, so yeah, this one. They went to Poland, yeah, so yeah this one, they went to Poland.

Speaker 2 20:27

Yeah, the funny thing about these movies is that when the characters are supposed to be speaking a different language other than English it's all made up.

Speaker 1 20:37

Yeah.

Speaker 2 20:38

Like they don't actually speak the language. They just say a bunch of words that kind of sound like Polish or Italian, whatever.

Speaker 1 20:48

Yeah.

Speaker 2 20:49

But they had a few lines in English in this one, and then I recognized Stenon.

Speaker 1 20:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2 20:55

Yeah, but it was also good.

Speaker 1 20:57

Yeah.

Speaker 2 20:58

And the last one.

Speaker 1 20:59

The last one is Jönssonligan spelar högt.

Speaker 2 21:04

Yeah.

Speaker 1 21:05

Jönssonligan plays loud. Let's just say thatar högt.

Speaker 2 21:08

Yeah, jönssonligan plays loud.

Speaker 1 21:08

Let's just say that they play loud, yeah, and so this. I mean, this is really back to Jönssonligan, because now we have Jönsson characters.

Speaker 2 21:20

Yeah, it's Charles Ingvar's, more and more his grandmother.

Speaker 1 21:26

Yeah.

Speaker 2 21:26

And his brother. Yeah, his brother is doing most of the planning, I believe. Yeah, and trying to live up to his older brother yeah, he never really quite gets there no but he tries really hard. Yeah, they have a heist at an opera yeah, the Stockholm opera operas, opera, opera.

Speaker 1 21:51

Yeah, they have a heist at an opera. Yeah, the Stockholm Opera Operage, opera, opera. Yeah, and this one is really what you were talking about. They didn't have like real.

Speaker 2 22:03

They were Italian, the.

Speaker 1 22:05

Italian people didn't have. They didn't speak Italian at all.

Speaker 2 22:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1 22:12

They were just saying like stereotypical Italian things.

Speaker 2 22:20

Yeah, it made it sound like they were speaking.

Speaker 1 22:23

Italian Like calzone mio yeah.

Speaker 2 22:27

That was funny.

Speaker 1 22:27

Yeah, my calzone yeah.

Speaker 2 22:28

My little calzone mio yeah that was funny.

Speaker 1 22:30

Yeah, my calzone, yeah my little calzone, yeah, yeah but um, yes, this one, uh, it's funny, I, I mean this one. I remember when it came out I was old enough to like see it. Well, I didn't see it in theaters, I think, but I I remember like seeing it on vhs when it was like brand new okay so the, because the other ones I was too small, I mean the the one before this was 94, I was three at the time oh yeah so I couldn't really I mean, yeah, I couldn't.

Speaker 1 23:11

I I don't have a memory of that one no but this one from 2000, I, that's I was nine and uh, yeah, I remember really enjoying it at nine yeah, I still enjoy, still enjoy it, Maybe not like on the same level as when being nine, but I still can like enjoy it for what it is.

Speaker 2 23:35

Yeah.

Speaker 1 23:36

So what did you think about this movie?

Speaker 2 23:39

I also liked it a lot.

Speaker 1 23:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2 23:42

Maybe not as much as you did when you were nine.

Speaker 1 23:45

No, I don't expect you to no.

Speaker 2 23:48

But I did find it really funny.

Speaker 1 23:49

Yeah.

Speaker 2 23:50

But again I think the Black Diamond one was the favorite for today.

Speaker 1 23:54

Yeah, for me too, of these three.

Speaker 2 23:57

Yeah.

Speaker 1 24:00

But it's a little bit weird because the grandma. I don't really understand why they had to make her the grandma. Couldn't she be like the mom instead? Because thinking about ages for them it doesn't really make sense for her young yeah, to be a grandma yeah uh, I was looking into that. I'm like i'm'm gonna check their ages, so hers and Charles Ingvar's and Sven Ingvar's or yeah, the actors' names so she is 13 years older than Charles Ingvar.

Speaker 2 24:41

Okay.

Speaker 1 24:43

And so she's grandma to someone who's like 13 years younger than her.

Speaker 2 24:50

She was 13 when she became a grandma. Yeah, I don't know no.

Speaker 1 24:55

And the funny thing is that Johan Ulveson or Sven Ingvar he's 14 years younger than Charles Ingvar. Okay, so there's a bigger difference between the brothers than there are between the grandma and the older brother.

Speaker 2 25:14

Yeah, oh, my gosh yeah.

Speaker 1 25:17

So that's kind of funny.

Speaker 2 25:19

Yeah.

Speaker 1 25:20

So it would have made more sense if she was the mom instead grandma.

Speaker 2 25:25

Then she could have been a mom at 13 instead.

Speaker 1 25:28

Yeah, I mean it's.

Speaker 2 25:29

That would make more sense, I guess.

Speaker 1 25:31

Yeah, it feels a little bit more realistic.

Speaker 2 25:36

Either way, the family is a little controversial.

Speaker 1 25:39

Yeah, yeah, you could say that, yeah, but that was my fun fact about that movie. Awesome About the actors.

Speaker 2 25:48

Good, Anything else no.

Speaker 1 25:53

I don't think so no.

Speaker 2 25:54

All right. Well then, would you like to take a break, and we will continue to movie on later.

Speaker 1 26:02

Yes, let's take a break.

Speaker 2 26:05

Sounds good, we'll be right back. Yeah, let's take a break sounds good, we'll be right back yeah, hello, hello, we're back, we are and we are going to movie on. Yes, to the movies that we watched tonight.

Speaker 1 26:27

Tonight, so tonight we watched. Do you want me to take it? I?

Speaker 2 26:32

don't think I really caught the title.

Speaker 1 26:35

Okay, beyond the Law.

Speaker 2 26:37

Right.

Speaker 1 26:38

It has other titles too, but that's what I'm calling it. Okay, and then we watched Den Beste Sommaren.

Speaker 2 26:45

The Best Summer.

Speaker 1 26:46

Yeah, or Summer's Tale, I think it's.

Speaker 2 26:50

That's the English title, yeah that's the English title the English version.

Speaker 1 26:56

Yeah, but you translated it directly and that was very good.

Speaker 2 27:01

I'm going to tell you about the first movie that we watched, because I know the title because you just told me. This is a movie, do you? Because I know the title, because you just told me this is a movie.

Speaker 1 27:10

Do you want to say the title?

Speaker 2 27:11

Yes, I do.

Speaker 1 27:13

Which one there are three.

Speaker 2 27:16

Was it Beyond the Line?

Speaker 1 27:18

Beyond the Law. Law Line Law it's also called Made of Steel and Fixing the Shadow. Oh, so you can call it whatever you want.

Speaker 2 27:29

I'm going to call it the Movie with Charlie Sheen.

Speaker 1 27:32

Yeah, that's a good title.

Speaker 2 27:35

That's a good title. This is a movie with Charlie Sheen.

Speaker 1 27:39

This is a movie without Charlie Sheen. It's just called the Movie with Charlie Sheen.

Speaker 2 27:47

Yeah, but he was in this movie.

Speaker 1 27:50

Yeah.

Movie Night: Beyond the Law

Speaker 2 27:51

And he is an undercover cop. He's trying to bust a drug gang kind of thing business and he acts as a biker guy. But Charlie Sheen, the the guy, the police guy, yeah he um has some issues underlying that he has to take care of, and apparently this is based off of a true story, and the part that I thought was really cool was the guy who Charlie Sheen is playing actually appears in the movie.

Speaker 1 28:31

Yeah.

Speaker 2 28:32

As an extra.

Speaker 1 28:33

Yeah, we don't know where. No, but it would be cool if we knew.

Speaker 2 28:38

Anyway, what did you think of the movie?

Speaker 1 28:40

I mean it's a well-made movie. I think Interesting story. It's a well-made movie, I think Interesting story. Kind of scary to see how a person can almost disappear into a character of sorts in this kind of infiltration. What did you think about this movie?

Speaker 2 29:01

I enjoyed this movie. I was really into it.

Speaker 1 29:04

Yeah, I thought it was really interesting, interesting and he tied the whole thing to an old, like indian, story yeah which maybe he got a bit caught up in, but I thought it was interesting yeah, I mean it's, it's an interesting story I, I and uh and that it's based on a true story.

Speaker 2 29:28

Yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 29:29

It's cool.

Speaker 2 29:31

Anything else.

Speaker 1 29:31

Oh yeah, by the way, the guy who played the police chief, or the guy in the beginning that was the director of this movie.

Speaker 2 29:43

Oh, okay, that's cool yeah. Next movie.

Speaker 1 29:46

Next movie Den Beste Sommaren.

Speaker 2 29:48

Yes, the Best Summer.

Speaker 1 29:50

Yes, it's a Swedish movie. This movie is about two kids, one boy and one girl, who moves in with a man over the summer. Both of the kids are orphans and this summer dad or whatever you would call it he takes care of them over the summer and, uh, you know he's he's a very strict guy and he's very weird, but yet kind of lovable, and they try to to get him and their teacher to fall in love. Yeah, that's kind of what the movie is about.

Speaker 2 30:33

Yeah.

Speaker 1 30:34

This is in the 50s, by the way. You have anything else to say about the story, or what did you think about the movie?

Speaker 2 30:41

I thought it was kind of strange.

Speaker 1 30:44

Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 2 30:45

I didn't know that a summer father was a thing.

Speaker 1 30:50

No.

Speaker 2 30:51

So that was kind of weird to me, Mm-hmm. And also the two kids. They also fall in love.

Speaker 1 30:59

Yes.

Speaker 2 31:00

Which I thought was kind of weird. But then they want to be adopted together.

Speaker 1 31:05

Yeah.

Swedish Film: Den Beste Sommaren

Speaker 2 31:06

Which would kind of make them siblings.

Speaker 1 31:09

Yeah.

Speaker 2 31:09

So I don't know about that, okay. I mean, yeah, sure it's a cute story, but also kind of weird, okay.

Speaker 1 31:16

You didn't like the movie.

Speaker 2 31:17

I liked the movie. Okay, I guess I didn't understand it completely.

Speaker 1 31:21

Okay. Yeah, I also like this movie. I never thought about that, the sibling thing, them falling in love and all that, but they're not really siblings. But yeah, I understand what you're saying and it is weird now what you're saying and it is weird now. So but I I think this movie is very like cute and I.

Speaker 2 31:52

I really like this one, although it's weird now that you say it.

Speaker 1 31:53

Anything else, brasse brenström is in this.

Speaker 2 31:56

Yeah, his character isn't very nice no, it's uh very different from any of the roles.

Speaker 1 32:04

I've seen him he's a very serious person. Yes, and very mean.

Speaker 2 32:09

Yeah.

Speaker 1 32:10

But yeah, he has his reasons. I guess, this movie I saw it when I was nine and his last scene in the hospital bed. It just gave me like the chills back then.

Speaker 2 32:30

Okay.

Speaker 1 32:30

Because you could spoiler alert. His character is dying and he's like Really suffering. Yeah, he's suffering and he's like regretting a lot of stuff and he's yeah.

Speaker 2 32:46

He's like fearing for his life on his way to death.

Speaker 1 32:50

Yeah, and for his son to see him like that.

Speaker 2 32:53

Yeah.

Speaker 1 32:54

He doesn't want his son to be there. Yeah, back then, that scene was really difficult for me to watch.

Speaker 2 33:03

No, I get that.

Speaker 1 33:04

Yeah, it makes sense, but yes, I do like this movie.

Speaker 2 33:09

Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 33:10

Good. So, yeah, it's been a successful day with movies. Yeah, we like them.

Speaker 2 33:16

We did All of them, all five movies we watched today.

Speaker 1 33:20

We got through all of them. Yeah, five movies. Four of them. All five movies we watched today. We got through all of them. Yeah, five movies. Four of them are Swedish.

Speaker 2 33:24

Yeah, speaking of Swedish.

Speaker 1 33:27

Yes.

Speaker 2 33:28

I don't know if I mentioned it's Sweden's National Day.

Speaker 1 33:31

It is For a bit longer now. Still yes.

Speaker 2 33:35

So I was thinking in celebrating today. We've had a few fika. Yeah, I was thinking in celebrating today we've had a few. Fika's. Yeah, so I'm thinking what is more Swedish than Fika?

Speaker 1 33:46

Nothing.

Speaker 2 33:46

Nothing. So today we are going to talk about Fika. Yay we love Fika, so I'm going to ask OpenEyes to give us a crash course on how to Fika.

Speaker 1 33:59

Okay, okay, okay.

Celebrating Sweden with Fika Traditions

Speaker 2 34:01

So a little background. First, fika it is the Swedish art of taking a break, built around coffee, companionship and comfort, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 34:14

Yeah.

Speaker 2 34:14

So we're going to talk about etiquette, traditions, origins and old-fashioned customs. Okay so etiquette, traditions, origins and old-fashioned customs. Okay, First with the origin. Fika is a reversed syllable play of the word kaffe, an older Swedish word for coffee.

Speaker 1 34:30

Ah, okay.

Speaker 2 34:30

How do you pronounce that?

Speaker 1 34:32

Kaffe.

Speaker 2 34:32

Kaffe, Kaffe. It's traced back to the 19th century, originally tied to Sweden's growing coffee culture. Despite coffee being banned multiple times in Sweden in the 18th century, it became a national habit by the 20th century. And it's not just coffee. Fika is a mindset, a conscious pause in the day to slow down, socialize and connect. So what do you do at Fika? How do you Fika?

Speaker 1 35:05

I eat and drink.

Speaker 2 35:07

Right.

Speaker 1 35:08

And talk.

Speaker 2 35:08

What's your go-to consumables and moves?

Speaker 1 35:16

I guess Okay, my go-to consumes.

Speaker 2 35:21

Consumies.

Speaker 1 35:22

Consumies For drinking. I rather have like juice, like orange juice or apple juice or pear, and now it's been a lot of energy drinks too. But for eating I mean, I mean cookies, any type of cookies, cakes, any type of cake yeah, yeah um and um, yeah, that's it, I think. Or I mean like muffins are like a type of cookies, I guess, guess, but or like pastries.

Speaker 2 36:01

Yes, yeah, I don't know Anything you can find at a bakery.

Speaker 1 36:05

Yeah, basically. Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 36:07

Yeah.

Speaker 1 36:08

Sandwiches too.

Speaker 2 36:09

Yeah, I mean, I usually go for coffee.

Speaker 1 36:11

Yeah.

Speaker 2 36:12

Okay and yeah, it really depends on how I'm feeling. But I'm thinking some kind of cake is probably best, or, yeah, pastry like a donut or a muffin.

Speaker 1 36:24

Yeah, I mean yeah it, but I mean it depends on how you're feeling and also what you got.

Speaker 2 36:33

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 36:36

All right.

Speaker 2 36:36

Yeah, so typically you would drink coffee almost always, almost.

Speaker 1 36:42

Almost. Not typically, you would drink coffee Almost always. Almost, almost, not for me.

Speaker 2 36:45

Tea is also acceptable, but slightly non-traditional. You also eat pastries. The most iconic is the canne and boule which is a cinnamon bun.

Speaker 1 36:56

Yeah.

Speaker 2 36:56

But other classics are cardamom buns, chocolate balls, oat balls, princess cake, princess torta, Tosca cake margarine, I don't know and small cookies. That's not me. And typically you should avoid talking about work. It's a time for human connection, not business. Okay, Okay, when and how often should you fika?

Speaker 1 37:25

I feel like fika for me is something you do like. It's more like a brunch. It's after breakfast and before lunch.

Speaker 2 37:37

Okay.

Speaker 1 37:38

That's when I rather fika Okay, or my family.

Speaker 2 37:41

All right, I would say after lunch and before dinner.

Speaker 1 37:45

Ah, okay.

Speaker 2 37:46

I think either would be appropriate.

Speaker 1 37:48

Yeah.

Speaker 2 37:49

Really, any time is a good time to fika. Yeah For me. I'm always down for fika. Yeah, but according to Open Eyes, twice daily is traditional.

Speaker 1 37:59

Wow, Once a day I wish.

Speaker 2 38:02

You have your morning fika, when you would fika, and then afternoon fika, which is my fika. Yeah, in offices this is structured and sacred. It's not just allowed, it's expected. How to fika the right way you invite someone. Fika is social. Even asking shall we have a fika Can be an informal date, a friendly offer or a meeting opener. Don't rush through fika. I sometimes I'll rush through fika.

Speaker 1 38:34

Yeah, quick fika. No, don't do that.

Speaker 2 38:37

A real fika takes time 20 to 30 minutes at minimum. Yeah, I mean, don't do that. A real fika takes time 20 to 30 minutes at minimum. Yeah.

Speaker 1 38:43

I mean don't do that. I say I mean in a way, I mean I eat fast and I drink fast.

Speaker 2 38:51

Yeah.

Speaker 1 38:52

But it's the talking.

Speaker 2 38:54

That's what takes time.

Speaker 1 38:56

That's what takes time.

Speaker 2 38:57

Yeah.

Speaker 1 38:58

So in a way, yes, it's the eating and drinking that goes quickly for me.

Speaker 2 39:05

Yeah.

Speaker 1 39:05

The talking takes time.

Speaker 2 39:07

Yeah, contribute to the fika. At work. Everyone takes turns bringing fika on certain days and if it's homemade you get extra points. We tried doing that at work. We tried having like a Friday Fika. Yeah, it didn't work well we had a few, and then we just stopped.

Speaker 1 39:29

Yeah.

Speaker 2 39:29

I think it hit one person and they just never did anything, so it died with them.

Speaker 1 39:35

Yeah, did I ever have to do it?

Speaker 2 39:38

You brought in cookies.

Speaker 1 39:40

I did, didn't I.

Speaker 2 39:42

Ballerina cookies.

Speaker 1 39:43

Oh yeah, I did.

Speaker 2 39:44

I remember that clearly. I don't know if I ever brought anything in.

Speaker 1 39:49

Didn't you? I don't remember. I feel like you did I probably did, but I don't remember. Yeah, no, I have a vague feeling that you did.

Speaker 2 39:59

I probably did. I have no memory of this. No.

Speaker 1 40:03

I felt like I really have to do something. I have to get something, I think. So that's why I brought the ballerinas.

Speaker 2 40:12

Yeah, they were good. No distractions, avoid phones and be present.

Speaker 1 40:18

Yeah, just gonna put down my phone.

Speaker 2 40:21

Yeah good, put down my phone. Yeah good, Don't offer instant coffee. It's practically sacrilege in traditional Vika culture. Always have fresh coffee.

Speaker 1 40:33

Okay, instant coffee, that's something Snub coffee. Ah, okay, I'm not that familiar with coffee since I don't drink the stuff.

Speaker 2 40:42

Right, it's just not as good. Okay, uh, serve properly Brewed cups, brewed coffee in a proper pot, not individual cups, I don't know. Use plates, napkins, sugar and milk on the table. Create a welcoming spread. Okay, I will spread welcomingly, welcomingly.

Speaker 1 41:08

Welcome.

Speaker 2 41:10

Be considerate. Let everyone get a pastry before going for seconds. I am not afraid of taking the last one.

Speaker 1 41:19

No, neither am I. In my family, people always want me to take the last one.

Speaker 2 41:25

Yes, same here, sometimes, not always. Well it's we fight over the last one.

Speaker 1 41:32

Okay, no, it's usually like, especially when we have cakes, there are like more pieces left and people want me to take those pieces or that big piece. And I'm like sure All right, sure, I can take that.

Speaker 2 41:52

Okay, so old fashioned fika traditions. Yeah, fika would be served in the fika room or the kitchen. They had a special room for fika would be served in the fika room or the kitchen. They had a special room for fika, often with matching porcelain sets, very fancy tablecloths and doilies were standard doilies doilies. I thought I had one in here, but it's like the little circles that are like handmade, like crocheted or something.

Speaker 1 42:21

Okay.

Speaker 2 42:22

You would know if you saw it.

Speaker 1 42:24

I might know what you mean?

Speaker 2 42:26

I think you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 42:27

Yeah, but I didn't know it was called doilies.

Speaker 2 42:30

That's what they're called. What are they called?

Speaker 1 42:32

I'm not sure what they are called.

Speaker 2 42:34

Okay, like the little underling or whatever. Yeah, Seven types of cookies rule At Swedish coffee parties in the mid-20th century. The golden standard was serving exactly seven different kinds of cookies. Viewer meant you were stingy. More meant you were showing off. Are you familiar with this?

Speaker 1 42:55

Yes.

Speaker 2 42:55

Okay.

Speaker 1 42:56

I am.

Speaker 2 42:57

Have you been to a fika where there have been seven types of cookies?

Speaker 1 43:02

Yeah.

Speaker 2 43:02

Okay, did you eat all of them? Yeah? At least one of each.

Speaker 1 43:06

Yeah, okay, I think I actually made seven kinds of cookies for a fika. Okay, just for the fun of it.

Speaker 2 43:17

Okay.

Speaker 1 43:17

Once with my grandma.

Speaker 2 43:19

Yeah.

Speaker 1 43:20

And yeah, that was fun. Okay, once with my grandma. Yeah, and yeah that was fun.

Speaker 2 43:22

Okay, can you name seven different kinds of cookies? What did you make?

Speaker 1 43:27

Kolasnittar Mm-hmm. Schakrutor.

Speaker 2 43:30

Oh, the chessboard cookies.

Speaker 1 43:33

Yeah, yeah okay. Hallongrottor.

Speaker 2 43:36

Those are. They have like the jelly yeah, right yeah. Those are. They have like the jelly, right yeah, in the cookie on the cookie.

Speaker 1 43:42

What else did we make? Probably drömmar.

Speaker 2 43:46

Just regular vanilla cookies.

Speaker 1 43:48

Yeah, sugar cookies Chocolate. Yeah, I don't know if I made chocolate chip cookies, but some kind of chocolate cookies I guess I must have. I probably made. Don't think it was chocolate chip, though. That's five Flarn.

Speaker 2 44:04

Those are just oat cookies, right, oatmeal cookies.

Speaker 1 44:08

And one more. Maybe we had like rulltorta or something, because my grandma usually made that.

Speaker 2 44:16

Yeah.

Speaker 1 44:16

That makes sense.

Speaker 2 44:18

Yeah.

Speaker 1 44:18

And call that a cookie.

Speaker 2 44:20

Yeah.

Speaker 1 44:20

It's not really a cookie. But if you decide it's a cookie, it's a cookie. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, and call that a cookie. Yeah, it's not really a cookie. But if you decide it's a cookie, it's a cookie.

Speaker 2 44:25

Yeah, we'll say it's a cookie. Yeah, on Sundays, sunday fika would be a more elaborate affair with cake, often after church or visiting relatives.

Speaker 1 44:37

Sundays.

Speaker 2 44:38

Yeah, you have cake on Sundays.

Speaker 1 44:41

Sunday cake.

Speaker 2 44:42

Sunday cake Fika at grandma's.

Speaker 1 44:45

I know that one, the most traditional of all. Yes.

Speaker 2 44:48

No one touches anything until the host says Vasegut or go ahead, you're welcome.

Speaker 1 44:54

Thank you.

Speaker 2 44:56

Coffee is poured from a thermos or kettle into delicate china cup and there's always a mix of something sweet, like buns or cookies, something richer, like cake, and sometimes something savory, like a cheese sandwich or a macau.

Speaker 1 45:14

Yeah.

Speaker 2 45:15

Some extra tips.

Speaker 1 45:16

Yes.

Speaker 2 45:16

Are you having fika alone? That's acceptable, but it's also about taking a break. But traditionally it's a shared moment, so it's okay to FICA by yourself.

Speaker 1 45:27

It's okay.

Speaker 2 45:27

It's not traditional, but it's.

Speaker 1 45:29

I mean, you can, but you don't have to talk to yourself.

Speaker 2 45:34

No, you can think maybe.

Speaker 1 45:37

Yeah, but I mean, since you're alone, you can talk to yourself too.

Speaker 2 45:41

I guess if you, if that makes you feel better there might be a risk of someone walking in on you and talking to yourself yeah, and then you will have to fika alone for the rest of your life, I guess. So maybe there's some modern variations, like vegan fika, gluten-free fika, fika with smoothies uh, those exist, but old-fashioned fika is sugar, butter and love yeah I want that on a canvas sugar, butter and love yeah instead of like eat, pray, love. It's sugar, butter and love yeah, uh, yeah.

Speaker 1 46:18

I have to say that I'm not the biggest fan of the you know taste of love. I can skip that. Okay, I'll have the other stuff though.

Speaker 2 46:33

Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 46:35

I'm kind of allergic to love.

Speaker 2 46:37

You've never eaten love.

Speaker 1 46:38

Well, like I said, I'm allergic okay so um all right, yeah, it makes me swell goodbye, you can leave.

Speaker 2 46:53

We're all done with you yeah, that's my exit workplace culture. In sweden, companies are legally required to allow breaks, and fika breaks are often protected as part of that. Okay, yeah, that's good. So, in summary, fika is more than coffee. It's a cultural pause, a way to honor relationships, rest and routine and to fika. Like an old swede, you brew strong filtered coffee, bake or buy cinnamon buns and cookies, set the table thoughtfully, invite others and slow down, share stories and laugh a little you don't have to laugh, but if you want to, yeah, I guess laugh at the right places, though, otherwise it yeah like that yeah you always know when when to laugh what else?

Speaker 2 47:48

okay, here's some extremely inappropriate behavior at fecum. Okay, this is what you don't do at fecum okay we had talked about all the things you do, you're expected to do. Yeah, this is the line where it's not okay. Okay. So speaking of lines, the first one out of I don't know, I can't read, let's say 10 things you don't do at FICAM. You don't jump the line or start before they say the host says Vashagur.

Speaker 1 48:20

Okay.

Speaker 2 48:20

Or go ahead. Starting early is seen as rude and greedy.

Speaker 1 48:25

Uh, I'm rude and greedy Because I don't know if I ever heard that line. Ever, I don't know. No, yeah, I mean. Yes, of course I've heard it, but it's not like everyone knows. It's just up for grabs now.

Speaker 2 48:47

Okay, just go for it. Go for it. Okay, not participating or skipping FICA without now. Okay, just go for it. Go for it. Okay, not participating or skipping FICA without reason.

Speaker 1 48:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2 48:55

Or, even worse, working through FICA, which breaks the spirit entirely.

Speaker 1 49:01

Okay, so I mean skipping FICA. I've done that, but that's my reason is that I'm trying to lose weight, so right. Is that a good reason?

Speaker 2 49:12

I think so, I hope so. I mean removing yourself from the situation. Yeah, as a whole is. I think it's okay Sometimes. That was number two. Number three is talking about politics, money or office gossip. Fika is meant to be a neutral and friendly zone, not for venting or debating.

Speaker 1 49:33

But if you're all on the same page, that should be okay, right, then?

Speaker 2 49:38

that's just a general discussion, right.

Speaker 1 49:40

Yeah.

Speaker 2 49:41

I mean, as long as you bring something up that you know that everyone agrees with.

Speaker 1 49:45

Yeah, and if they don't agree they can leave.

Speaker 2 49:49

Yeah.

Speaker 1 49:50

So the rest of us can. There's a door somewhere, yeah.

Speaker 2 49:53

Find it and use it.

Speaker 1 49:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2 49:56

Number four bringing nothing when it's your turn. I'm going to really emphasize on this one to that one person who killed Friday Fika. It's extremely rude to not bring Fika when you're supposed to bring Fika.

Speaker 1 50:14

Yeah, see what you did.

Speaker 2 50:16

In a worst case scenario, you bring something store bought, like you did. At least you tried. Extra bad in this situation would be bringing something offensive to dietary needs without asking, like nuts, without warning a nut-allergic colleague. Oh yeah, so this is a passive-aggressive feca. I'm actually trying to kill you.

Speaker 1 50:41

Yeah, I mean. So you're supposed to warn the people.

Speaker 2 50:46

I'm bringing peanut butter.

Speaker 1 50:48

Oh no.

Speaker 2 50:49

I hope you're not allergic to peanuts.

Speaker 1 50:51

That's what you say afterwards.

Speaker 2 50:53

Yeah, oh yeah, that was peanut butter.

Speaker 1 50:56

Sorry, by the way.

Speaker 2 50:58

Is anyone allergic to peanuts?

Speaker 1 51:01

Sorry.

Speaker 2 51:02

There's nothing left. Number five, criticizing the fika spread. These are dry or too sweet for me. Just don't. Don't say that.

Speaker 1 51:11

No.

Speaker 2 51:12

Don't complain about the fika.

Speaker 1 51:14

No, just eat and shut up.

Speaker 2 51:17

Criticism is deeply unsweetish in this setting. Even small passive-aggressive remarks are considered tactless, and I have had someone criticize my fika before when I made the chocolate semlons and brought them to work.

Speaker 1 51:36

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 51:37

And I gave one to my supervisor at the time and I asked her was it okay? And she's like it was kind of dry but it was filling and the filling part is good but it's dry. No one else said it was dry.

Speaker 1 51:52

No. I think she just why would you say that?

Speaker 2 51:55

Why Was that necessary?

Speaker 1 51:58

No.

Speaker 2 51:58

No, don't complain about the vegan Be happy, yeah that, if anything, that's rude. Yeah.

Speaker 1 52:07

So rude.

Speaker 2 52:08

Number six, taking more than your share first. So are you grabbing the biggest bun? Yeah, or two cookies before anyone else has had even one? Yeah, that's extremely inappropriate.

Speaker 1 52:22

Yeah.

Speaker 2 52:22

Everyone gets one before anyone gets two.

Speaker 1 52:26

Okay, I'm sorry I have a special pass for this. I think I just made that up.

Speaker 2 52:35

Okay.

Speaker 1 52:36

But so now, if anyone have Fika with me, they know that I can take as much as I want before anyone else.

Speaker 2 52:46

Okay.

Speaker 1 52:46

Because it's me Right. So if anyone complains about that, I'm gonna refer to this episode all right so they know okay.

Speaker 2 52:55

number seven showing off or overshadowing others bringing extravagant or overly fancy baked goods when others bring homemade cookies can be seen as trying to upstage the group. I don't know, I'd be happy either way. You can bring your cake and I'll bring my crumbly cookies and I think everyone's going to be happy either way.

Speaker 1 53:20

Yeah, I mean, as long as everyone gets to eat everything, then well, me, as long as I get to eat of everything, then I'm happy.

Speaker 2 53:32

Okay, number eight, using your phone the whole time.

Speaker 1 53:38

What I don't do that.

Speaker 2 53:40

No, Fika is about presence. Texting, checking social media or taking calls is seen as cold and disrespectful.

Speaker 1 53:49

I don't do that. No, you don't, no, you don't, no.

Speaker 2 53:52

I don't Number. Nine is turning fika into a business meeting. Don't do that.

Speaker 1 53:57

No.

Speaker 2 53:57

Just avoid work.

Speaker 1 53:59

Avoid work and politics.

Speaker 2 54:01

Yeah, it's pretty basic.

Speaker 1 54:03

Yeah.

Speaker 2 54:04

And number 10 is coming empty-handed to a home fika. Oh, if someone invites you to their home for fika. Never arrive empty-handed to a home fika. Oh, if someone invites you to their home for fika never arrive empty-handed. Oh god, what sorry. I've done that many times with your family that's okay.

Speaker 1 54:21

I only brought something like once the first time twice I brought donuts uh, yeah and what?

Speaker 2 54:28

what did I bring the first time?

Speaker 1 54:30

muff, muffins, muffins, yeah.

Speaker 2 54:32

And then the rest of the times. I just showed up and provided my Yourself Existence. Yeah, you can bring flowers a nice coffee.

Speaker 1 54:43

Oh, my coffee's better than yours, yeah.

Speaker 2 54:47

Or even just a thank you card.

Speaker 1 54:51

Thank you for coffee, but I have nice coffee.

Speaker 2 54:54

I'm going to bring my own coffee.

Speaker 1 54:56

Yeah, you should try mine. My coffee is better than yours.

Fika Etiquette and Cultural Rules

Speaker 2 55:02

Here's a bonus. Okay, fika, with elders or traditional hosts, do not cut into a cake before the host does. The host is supposed to cut the cake first.

Speaker 1 55:15

Okay, but I have a. I have a butt.

Speaker 2 55:18

Okay, yes, you do. What do you have to say about your butt?

Speaker 1 55:22

No, that's all I wanted to say. No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 55:32

That's all I have a butt. Good job, madia's proud of you. Did you have anything?

Speaker 1 55:38

yes, I was gonna. I was gonna say that if the host wants you to cut the cake, that should should be allowed, right.

Speaker 2 55:50

Yeah, but I think that's more traditional. If it's someone's birthday, a birthday fika, then the birthday person should be cutting the cake. Otherwise, if it's a regular home fika, then the host should be cutting the cake, I think.

Speaker 1 56:07

That's the thing with my family. Everyone wants me to cut the cake okay, then you're hosting I guess I am yeah oh, that's good. Yeah, makes me feel like a saint you're special no, because they think that I can cut the cake evenly Like.

Speaker 2 56:31

You have a better sense of measurement.

Speaker 1 56:33

Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 56:34

Okay, something else is leaving before the second cup is offered.

Speaker 1 56:39

Yeah, okay, of coffee, I guess. So you have to drink two cups of coffee.

Speaker 2 56:44

I guess at least.

Speaker 1 56:45

Yeah, at least two cups of coffee.

Speaker 2 56:47

Or at least be offered a second cup. Yeah, I think that you could say no thank you to the second cup and, like I have to go, Okay, do you know what the second cup is called in Swedish? Påtor, okay On toes.

Speaker 1 57:07

Påtor.

Speaker 2 57:08

Yeah, on toes.

Speaker 1 57:09

Yeah, on your toes.

Speaker 2 57:11

On your toes, yeah on toes, yeah on your toes, on your toes.

Speaker 1 57:13

Okay, it said that there, or did you know that?

Speaker 2 57:17

No, it says here.

Speaker 1 57:19

The third one is tre tår.

Speaker 2 57:21

Three toes. Okay, and why?

Speaker 1 57:25

I don't know.

Speaker 2 57:25

Okay, that's just it Okay.

Speaker 1 57:27

Have you heard på tår before?

Speaker 2 57:30

Maybe, but not really. Another big no is taking the last piece without asking, just assuming this is mine okay, yeah, I agree, but uh, like with my family, everyone wants me to take.

Speaker 1 57:47

Yes, I force everyone to say that you, you want me to take this is something that you want, right, yeah they're like what did you just?

Speaker 2 58:00

say yes, yes, take the last piece please, okay, um, another one is not complimenting the host's spanking. Saying that it was good is the minimum that is expected. Or at least a thank you yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 58:17

You don't have to say it's good, but at least thank you. That feels I mean. I wouldn't expect anyone to have to lie if they don't.

Speaker 2 58:29

Thanks for Fika. It wasn't great, but Could have't great, but it could have been better it could have been better, but I'm gonna go now. I thought that this said loudly at first, for some reason loudly, what loudly compliment the host thank you yeah, this was so good, I loved it. Yeah, that's basically it.

Speaker 1 58:54

Okay.

Speaker 2 58:54

A quick rundown of the rules. Always say yes to fika.

Speaker 1 58:58

Yes.

Speaker 2 58:59

Fika is not about the coffee.

Speaker 1 59:01

No.

Speaker 2 59:01

But the coffee must be good.

Speaker 1 59:03

Okay.

Speaker 2 59:03

Wait for vashagun before eating.

Speaker 1 59:06

Yes.

Speaker 2 59:06

Everyone gets one before anyone gets two. Fika is for pausing. Pausing was what I meant Not performing.

Speaker 1 59:15

You don't need to spread no.

Speaker 2 59:17

Silence is fine, but so is small talk.

Speaker 1 59:20

Yeah.

Speaker 2 59:20

Bring something when it's your turn. Refills are a right, so offer to be on your toes. Yeah, phones stay away. Yes, seven cookies are enough.

Speaker 1 59:32

Yeah.

Speaker 2 59:32

That's enough, but it's never too many.

Speaker 1 59:35

No, no, no.

Speaker 2 59:37

And fika is a feeling.

Speaker 1 59:39

Okay.

Speaker 2 59:39

And I'm gonna wrap it up there.

Speaker 1 59:41

Okay, good.

Speaker 2 59:42

Do you know everything you need to know about fika now?

Speaker 1 59:45

I think. So Now I can finally fika again. Okay, now I can finally fika again. Okay, I had my doubts today, after the fika we had today.

Speaker 2 59:55

Which one?

Speaker 1 59:56

The last one before the episode, okay, and then we had this episode, and now I'm ready to fika again.

Speaker 2 1:00:06

Yeah, I now understand fika better and more of like the rules or the expectations of Fika, and maybe I should bring things more often. But the thing is is that when I come over for Fika, there's already so much that I don't want to bring anymore.

Speaker 1 1:00:24

No, and I don't think anyone expects you to bring anything.

Speaker 2 1:00:29

Okay, and I believe I've already mentioned my feelings about flowers on this podcast. I mean I could probably pick a bouquet of dandelions and put them on the table. Dead flowers, it's all dead flowers in the end.

Speaker 1 1:00:46

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:00:47

So I will provide my existence.

Speaker 1 1:00:52

Yeah, that's enough, just the minimum, I think. That's enough and conversation.

Speaker 2 1:00:57

Yeah, I try to jump in as much as I can, yeah, but I really like to listen more than I talk, okay, which might come off as rude or it comes off as shy, but I really just I like to hear what people have to say.

Speaker 1 1:01:16

Okay.

Speaker 2 1:01:17

If I have something I want to add, then I'll say it, if I can. You can try and if I'm asked a question that I really try to answer.

Speaker 1 1:01:29

Yeah, and you know that I won't help you. You're not helping.

Speaker 2 1:01:34

No, you're not helpful you let me drown. I'm trying, I'm like reaching for a hand and you're like nah, you might pull me down with you so no yeah.

Speaker 1 1:01:48

You got yourself into this deep end.

Speaker 2 1:01:51

I did not, though I was pushed into the water.

Speaker 1 1:01:56

Yeah Well, it was my parents who pushed you, so they get to help you out of that. They didn't.

Speaker 2 1:02:07

No, no one knows how to help me. No, oh well, how are you feeling about this?

Speaker 1 1:02:13

I'm feeling good.

Speaker 2 1:02:14

All right, are you out of sips?

Speaker 1 1:02:15

I am out of sips now.

Speaker 2 1:02:17

So am I.

Speaker 1 1:02:18

That means we're all out of episode.

Speaker 2 1:02:21

Yeah, I guess so, so would you like to wrap this up?

Speaker 1 1:02:25

Yeah, I have a question though.

Speaker 2 1:02:26

Okay, what's ruining your life right now? Right now, the thing that's ruining my life is a combination of numbers and air. Yeah, Air Air is ruining my life. I don't like it.

Speaker 1 1:02:43

No, no, could be better.

Speaker 2 1:02:45

Yeah, numbers, because the weight journey is not going great at all whatsoever. Also, air is because my stomach is filled with air.

Speaker 1 1:02:56

Okay.

Speaker 2 1:02:57

I'm uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 1:02:58

You're an air balloon.

Speaker 2 1:03:00

I am, that's me.

Speaker 1 1:03:01

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 1:03:02

What about you?

Speaker 1 1:03:03

What's ruining my life?

Speaker 2 1:03:05

That's what I said.

Speaker 1 1:03:06

I think Did I say my back last week.

Speaker 2 1:03:09

I think so. What do you want to complain about this week? My back.

Speaker 1 1:03:13

Yeah, your back Ruining my life. No, I think it's the overeating habit.

Speaker 2 1:03:22

It's difficult.

Speaker 1 1:03:24

Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 1:03:25

I feel like it'll forever ruin our lives.

Speaker 1 1:03:28

Yeah, I think so too, and today has been a disaster about that. Yeah, so yeah, we had fika. We had too much of it.

Speaker 2 1:03:39

But it was good.

Speaker 1 1:03:39

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 1:03:40

We wanted to celebrate Sweden in the most Swedish way.

Speaker 1 1:03:44

Of course, right, of course. And do you want me to sing again?

Episode Wrap-Up

Speaker 2 1:03:48

I would like you to try to sing again.

Speaker 1 1:03:50

Yes, this time I will sing the correct words for the entire song.

Speaker 2 1:03:56

All right.

Speaker 1 1:04:04

Good luck. I greet you most beloved land on earth, your sun, your sky, your green meadows. Your sun, your sky, your green meadows. You tronar på minnen från fornstora dagar, då ärat ditt namn flög över jorden. Good, good job, thank you.

Speaker 2 1:04:54

I would like to thank the people who played live man limbs with us the Saturday that we did that recently and the next one is in July.

Speaker 1 1:05:07

Yes, it is.

Speaker 2 1:05:09

Crazy, right yeah, how do you is Crazy right, yeah. How do you feel about July 12th?

Speaker 1 1:05:13

I feel like that's a good date.

Speaker 2 1:05:16

All right, it's a date.

Speaker 1 1:05:18

It's a date and it's good.

Speaker 2 1:05:20

A Mad Libs date. So next Live Mad Libs is July 12th. Yeah, that was that. We'll be back next Tuesday with another amazing episode. Yeah, possibly the best ever.

Speaker 1 1:05:35

I hope so. That would be cool.

Speaker 2 1:05:37

Yeah, because we'll be celebrating my birthday. Yay, everyone loves my birthday, so it's going to be good.

Speaker 1 1:05:45

Yep.

Speaker 2 1:05:45

So yeah, join us next week for our episode and that comes out next week yeah, uh, makes sense.

Speaker 1 1:05:54

And uh, yeah, witness lauren getting older yes you can almost hear how old she gets next week possibly.

Speaker 2 1:06:07

Uh, thanks for hanging out with us yeah, thank you have a good life uh bye, bye okay, bye.

Speaker 1 1:06:13

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Speaker 2 1:06:22

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Speaker 1 1:06:33

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Speaker 2 1:06:40

We hope you enjoyed this episode, just as we enjoyed making it.

Speaker 1 1:06:44

And we'll be back with another one next Tuesday on a podcast provider near you.

Speaker 2 1:06:49

Goodbye Mattias, goodbye Lauren.