#182: Whatever You Do, Don't Do That

We go from weekly life updates and burnout warnings to a personal story about raising a first child young, moving countries, and learning how much support systems matter. Then we shift gears into movie night and a deep dive on why a gymnast can suddenly lose backward skills when the brain’s threat system overrides training.

• juggling work, school, parenting, and stress while still feeling “fine”
• dropping a stressful math class to lower pressure
• a 14-year-old’s birthday and a fast rewind through early parenthood
• the reality of US maternity leave vs Sweden parental leave
• movie night takeaways from Creed and Bedtime Stories
• why backward gymnastics skills trigger fear responses
• proprioception, vestibular input, and the cerebellum’s prediction loop
• practical ways to fix a gymnastics mental block with regressions and cues
• the “don’t force failed attempts” lesson and rebuilding confidence

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Theme Song And Welcome

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It's a nice song. Yeah. It kind of makes me smile.

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Yeah. It's a happy song. It's a happy song. It's I kind of feel like it it's um it feels kind of nostalgic too, because it it reminds me of like older uh intro songs for yeah podcasts. More like uh children's shows or TV shows.

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Yeah. That was a fun song. Um I think I'm ready to open this up.

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Okay, let's open it up. Alright. Okay.

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Right. Yeah, cool. Okay, yeah. Hello, and welcome to Roasty Toasty Goasty. My name is Lauren.

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And I'm Matthias.

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Welcome to this podcast.

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Yeah.

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Let's see what happens. It's a podcast. That's all.

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Yeah.

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Throwing taglines at the wall. We'll have a new one every week.

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Okay, yeah.

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Come for the tagline and stay because you forgot to change the podcast.

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Yeah.

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That's my tagline for you.

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Okay, okay.

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We'll see what happens here.

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Yeah. We're never we're not gonna remember to come up with a new one next week, anyway.

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You won't.

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No.

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No. You will always.

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Okay.

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I will constantly be trying to change this for the next 20 episodes.

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Yeah. I mean, it has its ups and downs. It it is.

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It has its upside downs.

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Yeah, pros and cons. Yep. Yeah.

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So one of the cons is having to sit here with you.

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Okay.

Too Much On My Plate

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So what's the pros? Editing?

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I'm funny. Laughing at myself.

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Oh yeah, yeah, I noticed. I'm sure there's a lot of people laughing.

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I laugh all the time.

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Yeah, at yourself.

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At myself. I am the funniest person I know.

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Yeah.

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Okay, maybe not. But Matthias.

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Yeah.

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How are you doing?

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I'm doing well.

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Good.

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Yeah? How are you doing?

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I'm good. I'm back.

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You're back?

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I'm back. It's been a while.

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It's been uh did we just have a break?

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I I have been uh a grump for a few weeks. And maybe it's Oh, really?

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Instead of yeah.

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That's not what it sounded like.

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Oh, okay.

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It sounded like you were agreeing anyway.

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Oh, I never noticed.

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Uh-huh. Uh yeah, but I'm like really good at hiding it sometimes. Maybe not. I don't know. I hardly listened to the last few weeks. Okay. So that's probably why. Uh yeah. But I'm okay now. I've had a lot on my plate.

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Yeah.

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And this week I have been reprimanded for having too much on my plate.

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Yeah.

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But little does this person know. I quit math, which is good.

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This person.

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This person yesterday who I was telling you about because you told them about me working after work. Oh, okay, yeah. They were saying, you work too much and you need to uh calm down and you need to think of yourself and uh you're going to burn out and uh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. This person doesn't know that this is pretty much how I've been living my whole life, you know, because as a kid in high school, I had uh two jobs going to high school, going straight into being a mom with two to three jobs plus having a kid, and uh doing that pretty much ever since.

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Yeah.

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Uh moving to a country where uh that's like 20,000 jobs at once, learning the culture, learning the language, having a kid, having another kid, hormones, uh new husband, uh dealing with that person as well, and like a million things at once.

SPEAKER_03 5:11

Okay, but you you only had one husband.

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Yeah, at the time. It sounded like a new husband, like you had a previous-but like I have been an octopus my whole life.

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Okay.

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With arms.

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Yes.

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Lots of them, doing a lot of things at once.

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Tentacles.

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Tentacles. So having two jobs, three kids, a podcast, uh uh studying and gymnastics and uh family and everything, that's just an it's a normal thing for me. I don't feel burned out.

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No.

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Not yet. No, but I've been running on fumes for most of my life. It's just a matter of when they run out.

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Okay.

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But I'm good because I dropped math. And that was uh huge stress on me. And my math teacher was basically, Why are you even in this class? And I said, Okay, well, I'm gonna drop out. Then he's like, That's probably the best idea.

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Maybe he should drop out, actually.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

Oh my goodness. This guy is not fun to listen to. No, he's got a very like monotone voice and it's like soft, so like when he does his lectures at school, you want to fall asleep.

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Okay.

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He has a sleepy voice.

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Oh, that maybe that's good for people with insomnia.

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Does it put them to sleep, maybe? Maybe. That would be good.

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Yeah.

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He should teach a class to people with insomnia. Yeah. That would be good for him, I think. But yeah, my school pressure is lowered. I I worked double shifts twice this week. Yeah. Which wasn't a big deal for me. I mean, I have my life partner who uh is home all the time. So he takes the kids. Not a big deal. I don't see the big deal.

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No.

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I don't see why someone completely outside of my life has such big opinions on how I am running my life.

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No.

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That was the highlights of my week.

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Okay.

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You're welcome. Your

Fika Visits And Weekly Check-In

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turn.

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What happened to my What happened in my life? I uh last weekend on Saturday, I went to my aunt and uh her life partner. And it was nice. We had Fika, they um uh we we had hot dogs and yeah, it was really we didn't know they boiled them. Okay, but it was nice and um her uh life partner, he's so funny, he is he's so confused and funny. I don't know, uh it's like uh w one time uh my um aunt was like what are you thinking? And he's like, I don't know. Yeah, he he doesn't know anything. But he's funny, he gets laughs.

SPEAKER_02 8:05

Yeah, I'm good, go ahead.

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Yeah, and then I worked for most of the week. Yeah, well, the entire week actually.

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Yeah.

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We went to the gym a couple times.

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At least twice.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. And we hung out on Sunday.

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We did.

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We didn't and we talked.

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We had a good talk.

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Yeah, a good talk. That's it. Yeah, that's it. Alright. Um, do you wanna movie on? Yeah. Because it is Friday. It is we watched movies. It movie night. We had a movie night today, right?

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Yeah.

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And it's May 22nd.

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Yeah.

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The year is going quick.

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Yeah.

A 14-Year-Old And A Move

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Yesterday, yeah, what?

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No, uh I was gonna say that. No, I I was gonna r remind you. Okay, yesterday?

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Yesterday, I wanna tell I wanna say it. Okay. Yesterday was my oldest's birthday. He turned 14. I've been wanting to interview him on the podcast. Okay.

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Okay.

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But I do I I was thinking, instead of that, maybe I'll tell you a history lesson on my oldest.

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That's a good idea.

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Yeah. Uh another uh based on a true story and probably not that funny at all.

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Okay.

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So a long, long time ago, like 14 years ago, maybe 15 years ago, if you consider the fact that there's a year in between there.

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Yeah, I mean, you don't have to go into details.

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I was planning on it.

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Okay.

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All the details. Fifteen years ago, I made a trip to Sweden.

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Yeah.

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And I met the father of my children. Two of them at least.

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Yeah.

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And um, and then I went home and found out that I was pregnant. Back to the States.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. And so uh I gave birth to this child who uh was 18 days overdue.

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Oh.

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And uh he was holding on for dear life in there. Wow. And then they ended up uh forcing him out of me. I had a C-section.

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Yeah, okay.

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They cut a big hole in me. Okay, they and they pulled him out themselves.

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Yeah, they didn't r like yell at him.

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No. No, you come out. I was yelling at him. Okay, hey, you get out of the air. And he was stressed out because everyone was yelling at him. So he uh he froze. He didn't want to go anywhere. But he did come out and uh his father did visit while uh you know I was trying to go into labor. And when he was born, uh he made a big drama out of it though, because he wasn't feeling well and he had to focus on himself, I guess.

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Yeah.

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And I was ginormous and emotional and freaking out because I was not going into labor. But I mean, some issues are more important. Anyway, he went home like the day after this child was born, and I raised him with my mother for about two and a half years. It was a very difficult two and a half years because childcare is expensive. Yeah, and there's like no maternity leave in the States. If you have a natural birth, you get two weeks. Okay, and then if you have a C-section, you get a month.

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Okay.

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So it's it felt really awkward calling or like reaching out to babysitters and being like, hey, can you take care of my four-week-old child because I have to go back to work? Yeah. It's ridiculous.

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Yeah, that's nothing. I mean, yeah. Two weeks for Yeah, yeah.

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You'd have to be like, hey, I gave birth two weeks ago, but I need to go back to work. Can you can you take this tiny little insect that I have?

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Yeah.

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Larva, whatever.

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Can you take care of my bug?

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My little bug. Buggy boogie boogie.

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Uh so uh how how long do we get in Sweden by the?

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A year.

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A year.

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Or more if you're lucky. Huh. So um, well, it depends on if uh because you have mom days and dad days, and mom days are more than dad days uh of maternity leave.

SPEAKER_03 12:27

Yeah, that makes sense though.

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Parental leave, I should say. And the dad can give the mom his days, but only a certain amount. He has a right to 10 of these days, which he'll usually use right in the beginning to spend time with the mother and the baby.

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Okay.

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And then go back to work.

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Yeah.

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And then um, I think it also depends on how the birth went and the if your child is okay. Like if there were complications and you needed more time, then I think that you can take that time. Okay. But typically it's about a year.

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With yeah, that's better. Exceptions.

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Yeah. Yeah. So when I had sick child, my third child, I was like all excited because I was working full-time and I was like, I get a year vacation. It's not actually a vacation, but it is nice. Especially when you're on your third and you've already done this twice. Yeah. But newborns are usually pretty easy.

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Yeah, but uh you were gone quite a bit before giving birth too.

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I got time off while I was pregnant.

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Yeah.

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I got pregnancy leave.

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Yeah, okay.

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Those last couple weeks or so, that last month, even maybe. Um, I went down to halftime, so I only worked half a day, and then I got a certain amount of days uh off.

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Okay.

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To, you know, prepare myself to give birth, I guess. And that's what happened.

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Yeah.

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Okay. Okay. So uh I had my oldest child, and I went back to work, and I'm 19 at this time.

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Yeah.

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I'm still a kid with a kid, pretty much. And uh something about him, it feels like we've gone through so much together just because of that. Yeah. Like I raised him, but he was also kind of raising me in a way. And as a mom, at least. And so two and a half years later, the two of us pack our bags and we move to Sweden to live with his father. Okay. We went through a lot during that time because he's always been uh sensitive, I think, yeah, to change to a lot of things. I wasn't always very nice because I'm also a kid and I'm also dealing with changes, and he's dealing with the changes in his own way, and I'm just frustrated, you know? And nothing felt good. Those first months, that first year even, yeah, was really difficult. Also, on top of that, about two months after we moved, I got pregnant again. And so I was dealing with hormones, and I was just I remember I was just so angry all the time. I was not okay. And my husband at the time wasn't always helpful with dealing with these emotions because I don't think he knew what to do either. So that period as well just feels like the two of us have been through so much together, and we've dealt with a lot of things together, and yeah, the rest of it is just the rest of my history here. Yeah, and he's so tall. Okay, yeah, he's so tall now.

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So, yeah, that that was uh like the the result of the story.

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He's so tall, and now he's just really tall, yeah. And sometimes we get along, and sometimes he just wants to argue with me for the sake of arguing. Yeah, because he's a teenager, yeah and that's what he does, and that was my history lesson. I hope you liked it.

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Yeah, it was good.

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No happy birthday to my son.

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Yes, happy birthday.

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And he was so close to my mom. She adored him, and he adored her as well.

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Yeah.

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And it was nice. Alright, anyway. Did you wanna did you wanna talk about movies?

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Uh yeah, let's move on.

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Or do you want to do something else?

Movie Night With Creed

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You don't want to talk about movies?

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No, I don't want to talk about movies. I wanna talk about movies. You talk about movies.

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I can talk about movies.

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We watched movies tonight. Let's move on.

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Let's movie on.

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Let's move on. Let's do that.

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Yeah.

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Tonight we watched movies and uh and then we stopped watching movies.

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Yeah.

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We watched Creed. Also, we watched Bedtime Stories. Yeah. But I'm gonna tell you about Creed first because we watched it first.

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Yes.

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This is a movie with Stallone, uh, kind of he was there, yeah, but he wasn't the main character.

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No.

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Michael B. Jordan, who was in another movie. Don't remember. Maybe I didn't even see the movie. No, maybe I just think I saw a movie with him, but I just saw his name somewhere instead.

SPEAKER_03 17:31

Yeah, he won an Oscar this year, I think. Quite for the movie Sinners. I haven't seen that one.

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Okay. Okay. I didn't I didn't see that movie.

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No.

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So this is a movie about Creed's son. Except it's not a son with his wife, it's a son with a woman who he had an affair with. So it's a big thing. It's like it's it's Creed's son, but outside of marriage. Yeah. Oh no. Because he's the first man to ever do that. Yeah. I think. Um, so he grows up a very difficult life, raised by Creed's wife. Yeah. His actual wife. So that was cool of her.

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Yeah.

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To be like um the bigger, better person.

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Yeah.

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Be like, yeah, I'm gonna take care of you even though you're not actually mine. But you're Creed's son still. Anyway, anyway. Yeah. Uh so and he goes by a different name. Uh Don. Donnie. Um Adonio or something.

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Adonis.

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Adonis. I was close. And he uh wants to be a boxer. Surprise! Otherwise, there wouldn't be a movie if he decided to be a dentist.

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Yeah. I'll help you.

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Yeah.

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Yo.

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You wanna uncheck my teeth out?

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Yeah. Punch them teeth out.

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So uh he asked Stallone, uh Rocky Balboa to train him to fight someone else, and so they do that. And that's what happens.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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Uh uh Polly is dead.

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Yeah.

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There is one turtle, and uh uh his son moved to Vancouver. Not not Creed, but um Rocky's son may moved to Vancouver.

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Yeah.

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Uh but he still has a restaurant that he went to once during this time. Maybe twice. Uh uh yeah. That's what I know about this movie.

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Yeah. What did you think about Rocky also has a problem.

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He has a problem because he's dying. He has cancer. Yeah. He gets sick, but he ignores it and then he stops ignoring it. Oh yeah. Creed's son, Dawn guy, he finds a girl as well. Yeah. Because what would a movie be without that?

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Yeah, nothing.

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Nothing. It's not even a movie.

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No.

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If there's not another person romantically involved with someone else.

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Exactly.

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What did you think about the movie?

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I mean, uh I think it's a good movie. I um yeah, I mean, it's like the uh it feels kind of natural that uh Rocky would go this way and be the trainer now. I kinda like that, and uh he has his problems. But uh they kind of support each other. What do you think?

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It's supposed to be a spin-off, but in a way, it is a continuation of the story because I thought it was gonna be like Creed, like the actual guy like going back in time, seeing how he grew up or got into boxing or whatever.

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Okay.

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But that's not what happened.

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No.

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Um, but I enjoyed the movie anyway. Yeah. It was interesting. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's what I know. Yeah.

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Good.

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Anything else?

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No. Next movie Bedtime

Bedtime Stories And Comfort Watches

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Stories. This is a movie with Adam Sandler and uh Courtney Cox is in this one. Not Jennifer Erniston this time, it's another one of the friends. Okay, so in this movie, Courtney Cox plays his sister and he has to babysit her kids for a week. So he tells them bedtime stories, then they help with the stories, and like the day after the stories kind of comes true in a way. When that starts happening, he's trying to take advantage of this. There's also a girl he meets. He works as a handyman at a hotel, and he uh wants to own that hotel and yeah, yeah, things like that.

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That's pretty much what happened.

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Yep. So what did you think about this movie?

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I found it interesting. I like the plot line.

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Yeah.

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I thought it was fun. Yeah. Yeah. I liked it. Did you like it?

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I liked it too.

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Good. And Rob Schneider was there.

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Yeah.

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And Russell Brandt. I like him.

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You like him, okay.

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I think he's fun. Sometimes. Who else did we see? Did we see anyone else?

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Yeah. Richard Griffiths? The old guy.

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Okay, yeah.

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He was in Harry Potter. Wasn't he like an uncle?

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Oh, the old guy. Yeah. I thought that was him.

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Yeah. Yeah. And he's the guy in The Naked Gun, too.

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Oh.

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I was wrong about an actor from Creed.

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Yeah.

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And I was completely sure it was this guy from Detox.

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Yeah. But he wasn't.

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100% sure.

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But he wasn't. No. Just like this guy wasn't in around the world in the 80 days. Whatever. Anyhow. Let's take a break. Okay. Sick of this. Okay. Uh, I'm back to being a grill. Yeah. So we'll be back later. Yeah. Enjoy this little too. We're back. We're back.

Gymnastics Mental Block Returns

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Yeah. You know what my favorite part of ending a course is like a school course and stuff. Is uh shredding all the papers that I got from them.

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Okay. That's all. That's what we're gonna do right now. No, no. Okay.

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I'm thinking I'm gonna talk about something that you cannot relate to at all.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

Okay, that's great.

SPEAKER_02 23:21

Okay. Uh so you'll have nothing to say, and I'm just gonna talk and This is gonna be a Lauren episode. This is my episode because I I feel a little better.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Okay.

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Whenever I feel good, um it's gonna be my episode.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Yeah, well, that hasn't happened yet.

SPEAKER_03 23:41

No.

SPEAKER_02 23:42

We're still waiting for the day when Matias feels good. So I have a problem. Okay. And since I'm hosting a gymnastics competition tomorrow, and I am a gymnast myself.

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Yeah.

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So I figured I want to talk about gymnastics today.

SPEAKER_03 23:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 24:00

I recently have developed, redeveloped a uh very big issue for me. A couple of weeks ago, I got a mental block again for going backwards.

SPEAKER_03 24:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

So like I I'm having difficulties doing like a backflip and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 24:17

Oh, yeah, okay. No, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:18

What do you mean? What what were you thinking?

SPEAKER_03 24:21

No, I I'm like going backwards in time or like remembering stuff, or what no. No, no, as a gymnast, yeah, that's not necessary. I I don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

No, like actually moving backwards. And this is something that I struggled so much with as a teenager, and it it was so frustrating for me, for my coaches, for my uh gymnastics coach, and like everyone, uh, especially me, because it was something that I could do, okay, but my brain was saying, no, don't do this. Okay. As an adult, I have had an it's been easier for me to go backwards, surprisingly. Okay. Like it just it just happens. I don't really think about it, I just do it. But a couple weeks ago, I just stopped. My whole body just freezes. I can't do it.

SPEAKER_04 25:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

So today I would like to do a deep dive and hopefully help myself and maybe others, other random people who have mental blocks for going backwards. Okay. It's pretty common for gymnasts, but it's never fun. Okay, deep dive connecting the brain and a gymnast's ability to go backwards, for example, in a backhand spring.

SPEAKER_04 25:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

Humans are built with forward-facing vision, forward locomotion, and a nervous system that general generally prefers seeing where it's going. A gymnast launching backward is asking the brain to do something strange. Move rapidly into unseen space while upside down and rotating. Just that thought feels kind of scary, right? Like if there was a black hole behind you and you just like flip back.

SPEAKER_03 26:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

I don't think you'd like it.

SPEAKER_03 26:10

No.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

No.

SPEAKER_03 26:11

I don't know if I wanna flip forward either, though. No.

SPEAKER_02 26:15

But if it's behind you, you can't see what's going on.

SPEAKER_03 26:18

No.

SPEAKER_02 26:19

Anyway.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

Unless I have a mirror in front of me.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:23

Would that help?

SPEAKER_02 26:24

No.

SPEAKER_03 26:24

Did I just solve it? I don't think so. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

Okay, so the brain's backward problem. Imagine the people. Imagine your nervous system as a city with several departments working at what visual system, which says, I usually tell us where we're going. We have the vestibular system that says I detect head motion and gravity. The proprioceptive system.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

That was a word. You get the difficult word this week.

SPEAKER_02 27:02

I do. Hypothesis. Hypothesis. I noticed in the last episode, it sounded like I was getting annoyed with you with hypothesis. I kept saying hypothesis like that. Yeah. And it it wasn't like trying, it wasn't me getting annoyed. It was me having fun saying the word. And it came out that way. Hypothesis.

SPEAKER_03 27:31

Well, I I I never uh heard it like that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:35

Well, I re-listened to it yesterday and I noticed that sounds like I'm getting annoyed, but I'm just having fun with the word. Hypothesis. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 27:47

And also making fun of me.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

Also, I'm making fun of you. No, I wasn't making fun of you. I was helping you.

SPEAKER_03 27:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

That's what I usually say anyway. Yeah. Okay. So we have the propane system.

SPEAKER_03 27:59

Propane?

SPEAKER_02 28:00

Propane system. I know where the limbs are without looking.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

Proprioceptive.

SPEAKER_04 28:06

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 28:07

And then we have the motor cortex that says I send movement commands. And the cerebellum. Ah. That's in the brain.

SPEAKER_03 28:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

I predict and correct errors. Where are we even going with this? Basal ganglia. Right. I automate practiced patterns. It feels like there's a lot of things going on at once when you do these skills.

SPEAKER_03 28:32

A lot of parts of your body are talking are talking at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

Right. Because when we explain how to do like a backflip, for example, you you're thinking of a hundred things at once. Jump in time and have enough power in that jump. Jump up and then go backwards.

SPEAKER_04 28:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

And hold your knees and land. And think of all these things at once. Also, don't close your eyes. Don't hold your breath. Because that's what I do.

unknown 29:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:06

You're not supposed to do that.

SPEAKER_03 29:07

Yeah. Whatever you do, don't do that.

SPEAKER_02 29:09

Don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 29:10

So maybe that's why you don't like it.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

Well, it it ends up being like a joke. Just think of this, this, this, and this, and it'll be fine all at once. Yeah. You can't do one thing and then the next thing. You have to do all these things at the same time. And it's it's kind of funny.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

Just do all this and you'll be okay.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:30

Um.

SPEAKER_03 29:31

But it's good to know what not to do, also.

SPEAKER_02 29:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:34

And you help people with that.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

Right. That's my job.

SPEAKER_03 29:38

Yeah. Um this is what I do. You shouldn't do that.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

Yeah. Right. That's what open eyes is saying as well. You begin upright, jump backward, tilt into inversion, rotate rapidly, briefly contact the hands, then snap through to land. During much of this sequence, the eyes either cannot gather useful information fast enough, or the visual scene becomes unstable. The brain shifts authority elsewhere. The hidden star is the proprioception. Probrioception. It's sometimes called the sixth sense. We've seen that movie.

SPEAKER_03 30:15

So you see dead people?

SPEAKER_02 30:16

I think so.

SPEAKER_03 30:17

When you do that.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

When you're upside down.

SPEAKER_03 30:20

When you do a backflip.

SPEAKER_02 30:22

Yeah. Um, but it's more like an internal GPS made from muscle spindles, joint receptors, and tendon sensors. So when a gymnast throws a backhand spring, the shoulders know they are opening, the hips know their angle, the ankles know force is leaving the floor, and the spine knows extension and flexion patterns.

SPEAKER_03 30:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

Right.

SPEAKER_03 30:45

Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

Blah blah blah. And then it goes into math.

SPEAKER_03 30:49

Oh no, you quit math.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

I did. So I'm gonna skip that part.

SPEAKER_03 30:53

Yep. Never math again.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Uh the vestibular system is tiny accelerom accelerometer. Yeah. Accelerometers. Accelerometers. Inside the skull.

SPEAKER_04 31:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

Deep in the inner ears sit semicircular canals and ootolith organs. There's so much going on in the brain when you're doing this thing. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 31:19

Uh deep, and that's what I said. Deep.

SPEAKER_03 31:22

Yeah, I heard it.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:23

That's the word for today. Deep.

SPEAKER_02 31:26

Deep. The cerebellum is the brain's prediction laboratory. It sits behind the brain and contains an enormous number of neurons. Its specialty is not raw strength or conscious conscious thought. Its specialty is prediction. So the cerebellum constantly asks if I send this motor command, what should happen next? And then it compares expected result versus actual result. Tiny discrepancies create updates. If you jump too low, you have to adjust force. And if you rotate too slowly, then you have to alter hip drive. If you hand if your hands are placed late, then you gotta modify the timing. Eventually the movement becomes compressed into an efficient internal model. And this is why experienced gymnasts often often struggle to explain what they do. They're not consciously, cautious, consciously, huh? Calculating. Cautiously, consciously, consciously. Which one is right?

SPEAKER_03 32:34

Pick one.

SPEAKER_02 32:35

No, no.

SPEAKER_03 32:37

Consciously.

SPEAKER_02 32:38

Consciously. But there's no there's no extra N there. Consciously. Consciously. Consciously calculating. The cerebellum has quietly built a neural shortcut city beneath a worse. I was breathing in really weird spots in that sentence.

SPEAKER_03 32:57

I I didn't really catch that.

SPEAKER_02 33:01

The cerebellum has quietly built a neural shortcut city beneath awareness. Now I'm gonna breathe.

SPEAKER_03 33:08

Okay. So okay. You have a problem with breathing.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

Right. That's another problem. Yeah. That's for another day.

SPEAKER_03 33:16

That's for another day.

SPEAKER_02 33:17

Fear circuitry versus skill circuitry. Circuits.

SPEAKER_03 33:23

Circuit. Circuit. Circuit. Circus tree.

SPEAKER_02 33:26

No. Circuits.

SPEAKER_03 33:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:27

Backward movement activates another important system. The threat network. Yeah. Which is a good title to any kind of movie or something. The threat network.

SPEAKER_03 33:39

Yeah, that that is a good title.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

The brain's survival machinery strongly dislikes falling backwards. Do you like falling backwards?

SPEAKER_03 33:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:48

Love it. Shut up. Losing visual control. Being upside down. You like to be upside down?

SPEAKER_04 33:55

Yeah. Love it.

SPEAKER_02 33:56

Okay. Uncertain landings.

SPEAKER_03 33:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 33:59

Structures including the Megdala can amplify caution responses.

SPEAKER_03 34:04

Megalodon?

SPEAKER_02 34:05

Megalodon.

SPEAKER_03 34:06

The Meg.

SPEAKER_02 34:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

A big shark.

SPEAKER_02 34:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

Structures including the Megalodon can amplify caution responses. Yeah. I guess that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 34:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

A beginner attempting a backhand spring ham spring.

SPEAKER_03 34:22

Ham spring.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

Okay. Backhand spring.

SPEAKER_04 34:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 34:29

Often shows increased muscle co-contraction, hesitation, delayed takeoff, shortened movement patterns. This creates a paradox. Fear causes protective stiffness. Protective stiffness often makes the movement less effective. Okay, that was a weird place to have less effective movement increase increases. Increases perceived danger.

SPEAKER_04 34:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 34:58

A feedback loop forms. Coaches frequently break this loop through spotting, progressions, soft surfaces, and repetition. And the brain slowly updates its internal prediction. So the movement no longer belongs in the danger category in your brain with practice.

SPEAKER_03 35:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

Repetitiveness. Blah blah blah. Um so with all the practice and repetitions, a backhand spring becomes less like throwing your body into empty space and more like a neural symphony where prediction, sensation, balance, and memory arrive at exactly the same beat. Um, the astonishing part is not that gymnasts go backwards, it is that the brain can eventually decide backward is okay too. Uh okay, so my next question. Uh well, that was just the deep dive part, but this is my first question, which was a good chunk of this part anyway.

SPEAKER_04 35:59

Okay.

Rebuilding Backward Skills Step By Step

SPEAKER_02 36:00

If a gymnast hits a mental block for going backwards, what are the best cures? Because I would really like to fix this before next season.

SPEAKER_04 36:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

Of course, this would happen right after I asked the leader of the competitive team uh group if I could join them next season to start competing. And then suddenly, oh, I can't go backwards anymore. So yeah, part of me is starting to think, what's the point in even trying if my brain won't go backwards?

SPEAKER_04 36:33

No.

SPEAKER_02 36:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 36:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:34

So here's what open eyes has to say about that.

SPEAKER_04 36:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:38

A backward mental block in gymnastics is a one of the most interesting collisions between skill and brain biology. The athlete often knows they can do the skill. Obviously, I can. I've done it so many times. Um, and everyone has seen me do it.

SPEAKER_03 36:55

Yeah, it's kind of weird that you can't do it anymore.

SPEAKER_02 37:00

It was just so random.

SPEAKER_03 37:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:02

Because like the week before I was doing it no problem. And then the next week is like, oh, I'm just gonna stand here and look like an idiot while everyone is watching me. And I'm now I'm just gonna give up because I'm panicking and I have like this weird PTSD from when I was a teenager and like was doing this all the time.

SPEAKER_03 37:20

Yeah, you're like, can do it, can do it, can it can't do it.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

Just suddenly, no, no, no, I can't not doing this anymore.

SPEAKER_03 37:28

But you just did it.

SPEAKER_02 37:29

Yeah, well, now I can't. Okay.

unknown 37:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

Strength may be there, techniques may still be there. May s it might still be there. Yeah. Uh yet the brain suddenly throws a velvet rope across the doorway, access denied. This is not usually simple fear or lack of effort. A mental block often looks more like a mismatch between the brain's prediction system and its threat system. I'm drooling. Oh my goodness. Sorry. Okay, so what is happening inside the brain? The brain builds an internal model that says, if I do X, then Y happens. If something disrupts that model, such as a scary fall, growth spurts, changing body proportions, injury, long breaks from training. I had a week. That's not it. I didn't injure myself more than I usually have. I don't think I'm going through growth spurts, and I did not do a scary fall. Here's some more pressure to perform, maybe, repeated failed attempts, not at that time, and perfectionism, which I'm pretty confident in my skills that I'm not concerned about perfectionism.

SPEAKER_03 38:41

I'm pretty imperfect.

SPEAKER_02 38:43

Yes. The prediction system can become noisy. The threat circuitry become uh nope begins asking, are we sure this is safe? Backward skills are especially vulnerable because they already challenge ancient instincts, like moving without seeing where you're going, rotating through space, temporarily losing stable orientation. That rotating through space line just makes me think of black hole. Uh what is it, 2001? Yeah. Space Odyssey when that one guy just like dies and floats through space, or maybe he's still alive, but he like loses control and just floats through space and is like 20 minutes of just this guy floating through space. He's probably dead. We don't have to watch that movie.

SPEAKER_04 39:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 39:35

You sure? Yeah. I don't feel like watching 20 minutes of some guy floating through space. Um, once the brain starts tagging the movement as uncertain, it can trigger protective behaviors like freezing at takeoff, stopping midway, bailing off. What?

SPEAKER_03 39:53

Um I'm like freezing in mid-air.

SPEAKER_02 39:56

No, at takeoff. Like you don't even go back.

SPEAKER_03 40:00

No, but I'm thinking freezing in mid-air. I'm just stuck. Yeah. Nope. Help. Nope. Help. I'm stuck in air.

SPEAKER_02 40:09

Uh bailing out. Sudden stiffness. Feeling physically unable to jump backwards, which is kind of what I do. Um, athletes often describe it as my body won't let me, and that description can be surprisingly accurate. Here are some best approaches that coaches and sports psychology often use. Okay. Number one. Shrink the skill until the brain stops protesting. The nervous system learns ingredients, not cliffs. Instead of never mind, just kidding. It gives some drills to do to learn how to go backwards again, which I will probably end up doing starting from the ground up again. Yeah. Which is kind of frustrating because I already know how to do these things and I've done them a million times before, but I'm starting from the first step.

SPEAKER_03 41:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 41:04

So you can't like uh take some drugs and numb your brain a little?

SPEAKER_02 41:09

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 41:11

Like alcohol. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 41:13

Maybe if I do if I take alcohol, I don't think I will be brave enough.

SPEAKER_03 41:18

You're just gonna fall backwards.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

Yeah, I'm probably just gonna fall backwards. I don't think that I would be brave enough even if I didn't lose the skill.

SPEAKER_04 41:27

No.

SPEAKER_02 41:28

So here's some things that you can do uh to learn how to go backwards. Jump backward onto a mat. Well, fall backward into a pit, which I have been doing, and it's scary.

SPEAKER_03 41:41

Yeah, okay, so like a padded pit, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

A foam pit.

SPEAKER_03 41:45

Yeah. Yeah. Not not just any pit.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

Into a ditch.

SPEAKER_03 41:49

Yeah. Like a gravel pit or something.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

Bridge kickovers, spotted backhand springs. But that one also is like, uh, even if I have someone spotting, I still freak out and I don't do it. Uh the trampoline version, like doing backhand springs on a trampoline. Can't do that. Nope. Uh blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then the brain starts collecting evidence like backward movement happened and nothing bad happened. And those tiny successful repetitions stack like neural Lego bricks.

SPEAKER_04 42:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:29

Number two, increase predictability. The brain relaxes when uncertainty drops.

SPEAKER_04 42:35

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 42:35

Yeah, so if you practice on the same surface with the same coach, the same setup, same warm-up, same cue words, and everything, and keep conditions stable, then you're helping the brain rebuild a reliable forecast. Number three.

SPEAKER_03 42:50

How many numbers?

SPEAKER_02 42:52

I don't know. Seven. Oh, okay. This is for me, okay? It's not for you. Replace outcome thoughts with action thoughts. Blocked athletes often think, don't miss or don't land on my head. That doesn't feel good. Done that before. And that usually reactivates the mental block.

SPEAKER_04 43:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 43:11

Uh yeah. The brain struggles with negation. It responds better to movement instructions like push through shoulders, reach long, jump up them back, and fast hands. Attention shifts from catastrophe to mechanics. Number four. Use visualization carefully. Mental rehearsal is not magical, but it can strengthen motor pathways.

SPEAKER_04 43:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 43:37

Yeah. So uh you're supposed to imagine yourself doing the thing.

SPEAKER_03 43:42

Uh huh.

SPEAKER_02 43:43

And then you're supposed to magically be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03 43:47

Yeah. Do the thing.

SPEAKER_02 43:48

Do the thing. Right. And the thing is that I don't just imagine myself doing it, but I can like imagine I can see videos of myself doing it in my head. But Still, it's not happening.

SPEAKER_03 44:01

No, you're like AI.

SPEAKER_02 44:03

Yeah, it's all AI. Um, the brain areas activated during vivid motor imagery overlap partly with actual movement networks. And then there's like like muscle memory. Like your body knows what it's doing, but I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 44:19

No.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

Number five is avoid forcing repeated failed attempts because it's frustrating. Many assume just keep trying until it works. But repeated failed attempts can accidentally teach backward movement. It equals panic and failure. That's where I'm at.

SPEAKER_04 44:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:36

Ten successful easier reps can help more than ten terrifying full attempts. Okay. This one is weird. Number six. Manage arousal level. That's what it says. Not me. Too little activation makes it sluggish and hesitant.

SPEAKER_03 44:52

What are we talking about?

SPEAKER_02 44:53

Oh, backhands rings.

SPEAKER_03 44:55

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:56

Too much activation.

SPEAKER_03 44:58

It's really hard.

SPEAKER_02 44:59

Yeah. Muscles tighten and timing degrades. Many athletes perform best in the middle zone. Different athletes find different tools useful, like breathing routines, rhythmic movement, music. Have you tried music?

SPEAKER_03 45:14

Yeah, uh uh uh yeah, yes. Yes, of course. Of course. Brief physical warm-ups. Morving gay?

SPEAKER_02 45:21

Yeah, yeah. Brief physical warmups. Oh. Short cue phrases with other words.

SPEAKER_03 45:26

Pineapple.

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Pineapple. Number seven. Remove identity pressure. A hidden amplifier sometimes appears like I should already have this, or everyone else can do it. That thought quietly raises threat sensitivity. The brain begins interpreting interpreting the skill as movement plus social consequences. Now it's solving two problems instead of one. One thing, moving on. One thing coaches often notice is uh trying harder can paradoxically make a backward block worse. Don't try harder.

SPEAKER_03 46:04

No.

SPEAKER_02 46:04

Have the same amount of try the whole time.

SPEAKER_03 46:08

Yeah, I mean, uh don't be slu uh schluggish. Sluggish.

SPEAKER_02 46:14

A backhand spring is not powered by courage alone. Here's something you can relate to. Picture a cat trying to jump across a gap. If uncertainty rises, it doesn't simply yell internally and leap harder. It gathers information first. The brain often behaves similarly. Um when the block becomes persistent. If it lasts weeks or months and significantly affects training, athletes sometimes benefit from working with a sports psychologist familiar with gymnastics.

SPEAKER_04 46:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:48

Performance blocks can involve learned fear, anxiety patterns, attentional habits, and confidence rebuilding techniques that go beyond skill drills. The strange thing about many backward blocks is that the skill often isn't truly gone. It can feel buried under neural caution tape. The work becomes less about forcing the door open and more about teaching the brain, we've traveled this path before, the map is still here.

Weird Fixes And Closing

SPEAKER_02 47:15

So that's that. Okay. Um, I have a fun story for you.

SPEAKER_04 47:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 47:20

When I was younger and had this very consistent mental block, my mom did everything that she could to help me get over it.

SPEAKER_04 47:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 47:30

The core lady. Nothing worked. I've gone to a uh hypnotist to try to hypnotize me.

SPEAKER_04 47:38

Did it work?

SPEAKER_02 47:39

No. Um, I've had I had millions of private practices at gymnastics. Uh, and my coach got so annoyed because she would stand there like for an hour just holding her arms out and waiting for me to go. And sometimes I did.

SPEAKER_04 47:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:58

More often than not, I didn't. But she knew that I could do it.

SPEAKER_04 48:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:03

And she even um got like a a rubber glove and filled it with water and put it on my back. Okay. So it felt like I had a hand there, and then I could go for it.

SPEAKER_03 48:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 48:15

Sometimes, not always.

SPEAKER_03 48:17

Maybe that's what you should do.

SPEAKER_02 48:19

But it was just ridiculous. And we tried so much just to get me over it, and nothing really worked. And then as an adult, I built the skills all over again and managed to be able to do the backhand springs. And I was even doing backflips for a while there, and now we're here. Yeah, now we're and I'm struggling.

SPEAKER_03 48:43

Now you're back.

SPEAKER_02 48:45

I'm back a square one with my gymnastics. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:51

So it's kind of sad, but hopefully this is something I will work through and get over by the time next season's. Yeah. I don't know how, because we're not gonna be practicing.

SPEAKER_04 49:01

No.

SPEAKER_02 49:01

But we'll see. Maybe I just need some time off and it'll come back. Or maybe it's just the intense amount of stress that I've been through uh recently, past few weeks. Apparently, I worked too much. You know, I got reprimanded for this. Yeah. I'm gonna start from the beginning. Let's do this all over again. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:21

Put it on the loop.

SPEAKER_02 49:23

Yeah, we can do that. I think that would be fun.

SPEAKER_03 49:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:26

Do you have anything to say? Do you have questions?

SPEAKER_03 49:29

No, I I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 49:30

You didn't really understand half the things I was saying anyway.

SPEAKER_03 49:34

No.

SPEAKER_02 49:34

So I can't imagine that you would have any follow-up questions.

SPEAKER_03 49:38

No, not really.

SPEAKER_02 49:39

Other than what? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:42

Can you take all of this again? Yeah. But then it's good it's uh that we have it on a loop.

SPEAKER_02 49:50

Yeah. Then you can catch it the second round. Maybe. Or the third round.

SPEAKER_03 49:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:55

Who knows how many times we'll loop through this.

SPEAKER_03 49:57

Yeah. So people, let us know how many times you listen to this episode.

SPEAKER_02 50:03

If you hated this episode, please give us suggestions on what we should talk about next time. Let's wrap this up.

unknown 50:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:12

Um, because I feel like we're at the end of the episode. So Matias, can you please tell me what is ruining your life?

SPEAKER_03 50:19

Um don't say it's me. No, it's not you. I I have a lot of editing in front of me this weekend. So right now that's concerning me a bit.

SPEAKER_04 50:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 50:30

So I would say that that's and also I have a broken nail. But I'm gonna fix that soon.

SPEAKER_02 50:36

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 50:37

Yeah. What's ruining your life?

SPEAKER_02 50:39

Other than not being able to go backwards.

SPEAKER_03 50:42

Yeah. Oh, so this has been like what's ruining your life. That's been the long version?

SPEAKER_02 50:48

Yeah. The long version of what's ruining my life is the fact that my mental block has come back, and I really wanted to start competing in gymnastics because it looks like so much fun. Also, what's ruining my life is that I am hosting a practice competition for my group tomorrow, and I'm doing everything by myself. Not everything. I I I don't mean it like that, but like I'm planning everything and I'm putting everything together by myself and praying that everyone else cooperates and does their job as as I would like them to do it. Uh yeah, no, I'm I'm somewhat freaking out. Just subtly, subtle freak out here.

SPEAKER_03 51:39

Suddenly.

SPEAKER_02 51:40

Suddenly freaking out. It came out of nowhere. You're out of sips.

SPEAKER_03 51:43

I'm out of sips, and that means we're all out of episode.

SPEAKER_02 51:47

You know what that means?

SPEAKER_03 51:48

No.

SPEAKER_02 51:48

We're all out of episode.

SPEAKER_03 51:50

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 51:52

Um, uh, let's wrap this up.

SPEAKER_03 51:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:54

That would be fun, right? To wrap this up.

SPEAKER_03 51:56

Yeah, that'd be good.

SPEAKER_02 51:58

Uh thanks for listening to this episode.

SPEAKER_03 52:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:01

You made it this far, so um go ahead and start following us and get the notifications for the next episode. Yeah. Coming out next Tuesday as usual.

SPEAKER_04 52:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:14

And again, I'm gonna repeat myself. If you hated this episode, why are you here? Also, maybe you can suggest another topic for next week, a game, uh, something you want to learn. Uh we can tell stories. What do you want to know? What do you want to hear? Um, and maybe we'll do that. But you can do that by sending us a text. There's a link in the description below here, and uh or show notes. Some people call them show notes.

SPEAKER_04 52:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 52:47

I guess. And we'll we'll we'll look at that.

SPEAKER_03 52:50

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:52

That's all I have.

SPEAKER_03 52:53

Sounds good.

SPEAKER_02 52:54

What do you have?

SPEAKER_03 52:55

See you next week.

SPEAKER_02 52:57

Have a good life.

SPEAKER_03 52:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:58

Goodbye.

SPEAKER_03 52:59

Bye-bye.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

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SPEAKER_03 53:03

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SPEAKER_02 53:13

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SPEAKER_03 53:19

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SPEAKER_02 53:27

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SPEAKER_03 53:30

And we'll be back with another one next Tuesday on a podcast provider near you.

SPEAKER_02 53:36

Goodbye, Matthias.

SPEAKER_03 53:37

Goodbye, Lauren.